The only reason women have abortions is because they WANT to have a baby in the future

Yes and not planting acorns destroyed a forest...
You seem to have a problem differentiating between born people and zygotes. Why don’t you sit under an acorn so you can enjoy the shade

 

To verify the claim of the OP, I will need to use my magical ability to empathize other human beings...

And the claim is false.

 

Which human beings are you empathizing with?

 

Ah, that was you. I didn't even note the account posting it.

Even so, I have to say, this seems ridiculously general. If you put yourself in the shoes of a woman who does not want a child, it's not hard to imagine a situation in which she gets an abortion. If you're talking about IUD's, they work out well for some but there are plenty of horror stories as well, where woman have had reason to regret the procedure. It's not unheard of for one to be removed simply due to side effects. On top of that, what ever happened to indecision? Many people may not know if they want to have children. The point is, it's very presumptuous to say why every woman may or may not get an abortion.

Finally, even if a woman does want to adjust the time-table, so what? The difference that several years can make is enormous. In effect, you would be talking about a completely different family with completely different results. Is it wrong for a woman to decline an apple because she wants an orange?

 

Then I assume that none of you that are pro abortion are also anti forced child support? Same situation, can't make a man a father against his will that he will have to support with his labors, a child for 18 years or more. I mean it is HIS BODY he will be using to earn the cash!

 

Yeah, the parallels there aren’t lost on me. On one hand, it doesn’t seem fair to say that a man’s consent to sex should automatically oblige him to take care of a child if he doesn’t want one. After all, he could have been perfectly careful on his end. I would feel obligated personally, but that’s me.

I think that’s case-by-case situation, depending on things like the economic situation of the people involved, and how much involvement the father would or should have with the child.

 

No of course not. Both parents are obliged to support their children whenever possible.

I can't believe this old argument is still being trotted out.

Women have birth control choices after sex that men don't have.

That's all there is to it.

I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand about that?

 

Explain exactly how bringing yet another UNWANTED child into this world counts as being "responsible"?

 

So you want to FORCE women to have an UNWANTED child just because men don't have a choice when it comes to abortion?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Don't see any "pro-abortion" people in here....but I do see people who believe women have rights and people like you who think they shouldn't have rights.

Abortion rights have nothing to do with parents supporting their children.

I read your sad story in one of your other posts and how your wife left you and you got all bitter and angry because you had to raise your own children but that still doesn't make abortion rights similar to child support..

Nope, he does that all on his own

Yup! That how it works....have a kid and support it for 18 (or more) years...





Why do you think that 's just awful for men but fine for women???

 

You are mansplaining. LOL

 

What's with you and the Jews, BTW???

Is it some problem with Germans and Jews or is it just limited knowledge of world history?

You do know since humans began they've been slaughtering each other....the Germans hardly invented it...and early Americans almost perfected it in nearly wiping out the natives.....

 

The man's consent to sex did not oblige him to have or take care of his child....but having a child did.

 

"Old arguments " are all the Anti-Choicers have....and this OP isn't even an "argument"... and has no point...if only they could come up with a POINT...!!

 

He knows the consequences and he knows she has the final say. He knows this when he has sex. Her consequences are much harsher, but she also knows the consequences
Who do you think should have the final say? You see, if she decides to have the child it is no longer just her child, it is half his. I kinda think raising a child is a lot more difficult than writing a check

 

If he was perfectly careful on his end, there would be no child. And another point is that once it becomes a child even if he doesn’t want it it is his child. What if a parent didn’t want a child and the father just walk away and say he didn’t want it anyway?

 

I am pro abortion! That means I am for abortion, otherwise I would be anti abortion. I support abortion if a woman wants one. I am pro legalizing marijuana but it doesn’t mean that I will necessarily smoke it
I remember going somewhere where Gloria Steinem was speaking And she made that point. The point was that we distance ourselves from the word abortion.

 

Are you advocating abstinence? Because that’s the only type of “careful” that would work the way you claim. Condoms are alright as a first line of defense, but that’s it.

If a father did not want a child, that would be unfortunate. I don’t think we can legislate a change of heart, however. If man doesn’t want children, and she chooses on her own to have the baby, you are kind of roping him into it. Choice can be a curse or a privilege, depending on how you look at it.

If a man isn’t economically ready, it could be a disaster for him. I think there are cases where the man may be the party who is getting wronged. Like I said, it should be decided on a case by case basis.

 

They’re not an option for all women due to medical reasons and they’re actually not much more effective that correctly used birth control.

That isn’t true. It could be that she hasn’t yet decided whether she’ll want children in the future, especially relevant for younger women and girls. You’re also ignoring the medical reasons for some abortions of course.

Even if you were right, it would be both.

 

Definitely not, he "roped" himself into it...unless the woman forced him to have sex...

"Choice" in the case of a woman's right to her own body is a right, neither a curse nor a privilege.

Same for a woman.

How? If he fathered a child the law expects him to support it....

What should be decided on a case by case basis?[/QUOTE]

 

Yup, it's called an abortion.

Why do "Pro-lifers" want to inconvenience a woman's time table ?

 

And?

 

Where are you going with this thread? You’re all over the place.

 

Genocide is not a verb.

 

Are you saying men are so stupid that they don’t know the consequences? I taught sex education in New York City and I told the boys that they risk being a father and having to pay childcare. Girls know the consequences because they are the ones who have to bear most of them. What you are basically saying it is the man who should make the decision whether or not she has an abortion or not. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way...biology is destiny. You see, If she is opposed to abortion and has the child once it is born it is half his. Are you saying that a man should have the right to abandon any responsibility for the child he created. If a man isn’t economically ready what makes you think she is? Maybe men shoul think twice because they know that they could be responsible for the next 18 years the same way a woman knows that.
You act as though the third person, his and her child, should not be anyone’s responsibility but hers. He is a father now and whether he wanted Her to terminate the pregnancy or not is irrelevant… He has a baby and is a daddy