The only reason women have abortions is because they WANT to have a baby in the future

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  1. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    ...and all pregnancies harm women's bodies...




    ...and.....???.... was there anything meaningful in that? Did you have a point?
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    And?

    So?


    WTF difference does it make to anything ?
     
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    That’s when caring for it ends....for people who oppose women’s reproductive freedom
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What if we additionally view this as being about obligations, in addition to caring about it?

    Do we say that society doesn't care about women because some women have ex-husbands who are not able to pay as much child support or alimony?

    I don't know, just a thought, that's just a different perspective on it.
     
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    I was right there with you until the last post.

    And by forcing the woman to have a baby now, you are depriving the baby she would have had in the future from having life.

    So much for the "pro-life" position.

    So the real question is, why are we forcing a woman to have a baby when she's not ready for it?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a strange way to think about it.


    The fundamental issue with pro-lifers isn't that they want to bring children into the world, it's that they want to make sure children are brought into the world who were already brought into existence.
     
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    I know you don't answer inconvenient questions but :

    """"So the real question is, why are we forcing a woman to have a baby when she's not ready for it?""""


    BTW, "children" don't exist until they're born....and then righties don't want to care for them at all...


    The fundamental issue with "Pro-Lifers" (Anti-Choicers) is that they want women to lose rights and be forced to gestate.
     
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    Oh I remember when fathers didn’t have consequences...they just walked away...thanks to the womens movement, they can’t get away with that.
     
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    ZEFS aren’t children any more than an acorn is a tree oh if only you really cared about children.
     
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    This is like the hand maidens tale....women are for breeding...against their will
     
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    I should've known you wouldn't answer her INCONVENIENT question: """So the real question is, why are we forcing a woman to have a baby when she's not ready for it?""
     
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    well they can if they can get the mother to make the same choice, if both parents choose to walk away, they just walk away - it's call given the child to someone else to raise and support, something neither can do individually, mother or father

    some men now raise their kid and pay child support in fear that if they fight it, the women will take the child... sadly some women just want the money, not the child
     
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    The risk of pregnancy from any single act of intercourse is so minuscule that having sex cannot be seen as consent to have a baby.
     
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    Bullshit. You are either wildly ignorant or you are lying through your teeth.

    Most doctors/hospitals won’t let women get tubal ligation even if they say they don’t ever want to have children. In fact most doctors won’t authorize it unless a woman already has one or more children.

    Plus, those surgeries are done with anesthetic, so provide me a link to any hospital in the US where surgeries with general anesthetic only cost $50.
     
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    That is true...some people think that women can actually consent to get pregnant as if that makes them pregnant.

    And the greater point is , consent to one act (having sex) is NOT consent to any other act( getting pregnant or having sex again).
     
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    But it isn’t man’s choice whether or not to have a child. Men should have the ability to abrogate all responsibility for a child if they don’t want one but the woman chooses to keep it. They would not have to provide child support, but all lose any parental rights or ties. Should they decide to change that situation and want to be in their child’s life after they are born, they should owe back dated child support at that point.
     
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    Yes, and that's fine but that doesn't take into considerations for the child ( and the court places the child's welfare over the father's as is only right).


    For instance, why should the woman and child be poor and/or on Welfare if the father has a job and can afford support?

    And, no, if a "father" gives up all rights to his child he should NEVER ever be allowed contact with that child....no amount of "back pay" can ever make up for the day to day work and time involved in the raising of a child.....he shouldn't be able to "buy" his child...


    BTW, yes, men can decide not to have a child.
     
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    Do I have the right to enslave another person and force them to work for my upkeep for my welfare?

    If no, then why does a child have that right?
     
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    No, you are not a child. Children have protections...
     
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    Persons have the same rights as any other person. No person has the right to enslave another person and force them to work for their welfare. That includes children.
     
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    :) Tell that to de judge :)

    No, parents can give up their children, but it has to be done legally, through the courts.....in this country children are protected, they have protections, they aren't expected to hold down a job and support themselves from birth as you seem to want them to do.



    BTW, yes, men can decide not to have a child.
     
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    If abortion is made illegal by someone saying that a woman should have herself enslaved to support the welfare of a zygote/fetus, are you going to respond to people protesting the violation of her rights with “Tell that to de judge”?

    A man cannot legally give up his child even if he doesn’t want one if the woman does want it. He should be able to before the child is born.
     
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    OH! I see....you don't know that a fetus has no rights and BORN persons do ! That's where your confusion comes in...



    BTW, yes, men can decide not to have a child. Yes, they can legally give up their child.
     
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    How can you ignore the child's right to survive?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When was that? Child support dates way way back.
    https://www.liveabout.com/the-history-of-child-support-in-the-us-2997821

    BY JENNIFER WOLF
    UPDATED MARCH 09, 2018
    The United States government began legislating child support enforcement more than 100 years ago. The following timeline outlines the history of child support in the U.S., including laws and amendments that continue to impact child support collection today:

    1910: The Uniform Desertion and Non-Support Act
    The Uniform Desertion and Non-Support Act was approved by The National Conference of Commissions on Uniform State Laws in 1910.


    It was initially adopted by 24 jurisdictions and made it a crime to for a husband to willfully abandon or neglect to provide support for children under the age of 16. However, because the law didn’t provide recourse for parents who left the jurisdiction, these parents frequently escaped justice by relocating to a jurisdiction that hadn’t adopted the law.
     

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