The Open Wounds of Mideast Conflicts

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  1. SamSkwamch

    SamSkwamch Banned

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    This story is from another honest Jew, Dennis J Bernstein. He is not self hating. He reports the truth. He touches on many points in this highly valuable interview including the torture of children which can no longer be denied. Please read the entire piece before responding.

    Peace in Palestine and Palestinian statehood have barely surfaced in the 2016 Presidential election, although President Barack Obama has just approved a massive military aid package for Israel and Israel is expanding its settlements in Palestinian territory. In part, the silence is because both major party candidates, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, have already professed their devotion to Israel....

    DB: Could you talk a little bit about the arrest and torture of resistors, particularly young people? Are young people continuing to be arrested and tortured, and suffer in this way?

    AA: Yeah. You know, what’s also happened is that there has been a huge upsurge in arrests. Over 1,000 Palestinian children have been arrested by Israel in the past year. The number that are in custody currently is at the highest level in a long time. I think it’s over 200 that are currently in custody, including some children as young as 12. And thousands of Palestinians are currently, I think the number is close to 7,000, are in Israeli prisons. And more than 700 are held in what’s called administrative detention. This is detention without charge or trial, which is indefinitely renewable. And this is something that is a holdover from British colonial times.

    And we’ve seen [hunger strikes] in the past years, you know, consistently, but this has intensified again in the last year, … Palestinians undertaking lengthy hunger strikes, against this administrative detention.

    So, this is happening again, with complete silence from the rest of the world. I mean, you know, Israel is being praised every day as a liberal democracy. It is a liberal democracy that runs a gulag for a population living under this brutal occupation. It’s a liberal democracy, so-called, where Palestinians have no rights.

    I mean, we have arrests now […] since we are in the [San Francisco] Bay area let’s call out Facebook […] who are complicit with Israel in censorship. But Israel itself arresting Palestinians, over 140 Palestinians arrested for so-called incitement, for saying things on Facebook. Just the other day a world renowned Palestinian astrophysicist Imad Barghouthi, who’s been in jail since the spring, was sentenced to seven months for incitement.

    Now incitement can mean criticizing Israel, criticizing the occupation. And what the Israeli military prosecutors– because these are military courts– did was they introduced as what they called evidence the number of “likes” that his Facebook posts had received, the number of “likes” — the number of “shares”– as evidence against him. […] You know, all these folks who are talking about free speech and “Je suis Charlie” and all of this kind of stuff, when it comes to Israel’s crackdown on Palestinians even being able to express themselves on social media, there’s total silence....

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/10/22/the-open-wounds-of-mideast-conflicts/

    A free democracy that does not support free speech and that torturing children?

    Is it time to rethink?
     
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    22catch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm against children being detained once again but I'm not biting on the whole free speech line. Adults hiding behind Free Speech to incite violence? Nah arrest them.

    But I'm looking at some numbers and I wonder if we could bribe some of the countries over there to just take in all the Palestinians still living in Gaza etc? See look only a couple million still in harms way

    ""Where do Palestinian refugees reside today?
    The majority of Palestinian refugees live not far from their homes of origin either in their own homeland or in neighboring countries. More than half the refugee population lives in Jordan. Approximately 37.7% live in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, comprising about 50 percent of the population in those areas. About 15% live in almost equal numbers in Syria and Lebanon. About 355,000 internally displaced Palestinians reside in present-day Israel. The remaining refugee population lives throughout the world, including the rest of the Arab world. Of the 4.3 million refugees registered with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), 33% live in UNRWA’s 59 refugee camps throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. ""

    So if the above is true.. We could offer some incentives for countries to allow them to integrate right? I mean Europe has taken in millions of Muslims right? Why can't the Arab States just take in the remaining Palestinians ( far less than the Muslim refugees in Europe ) so they can prosper? Israel will never allow more

    I like my solution and innocents on both sides won't get hurt anymore
     
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    This is the thread about how Israel silences all criticism with force. This includes the imprisonment and torture of children.

    And they would not be hurt if they went back to Europe where they came from and returned the reigns of government to the Palestinians where they rightfully belong.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    most speech is allowed and respected in Israel.

    meanwhile in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, UAE, Bahrain, people who insult Muhammed or Islam, are imprisoned or killed by the government.
     
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    Recent reports continue to confirm Israel’s rampant use of torture when dealing with Palestinians, including minors. While not particularly revealing – after all, a lot of footage and photography depicting the Israeli military’s violence against Palestinian children has been widely shared on social media – it is even more disturbing when considering such brutal tactics within the confines of prisons.

    According to Ma’an news agency, “the overwhelming majority” of Palestinian minors in Israel’s Megiddo and Ofer prisons have been subjected to torture during detention and interrogation sessions....

    Testimonies made public last September described beatings, wounds inflicted by soldiers and left untreated, as well as coercing minors into uncomfortable, restraining positions for long periods. Medical neglect is another form of torture which is being used against Palestinian minors also. The prevailing trend of abuse and impunity remains....

    ...Israel has been allowed to colonise and in return, rewarded with recognised statehood despite its existence being an aberration. If this is not achieved, and Israel is not explicitly addressed as a colonial entity, it is unlikely that reports, despite their congruence, will be able to safeguard Palestinian rights.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20161021-israeli-torture/
     
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    22catch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually all your threads are the same. Pointing out your bias against Jews so you really don't want a solution you just want to hate. Israel isn't going anywhere ever silly so what's your solution?

    Palestinians have no way to prosper there, they have no economy, half live below poverty level and the ones that aren't work for Israel in some capacity, Their GDP is basically the biggest " I'm homeless please help " panhandling sign the world has ever seen, they have no military to speak of and no prospects I can see for any of the above thereso why not leave?

    I'm tired of Palestinian sympathizers and liberal cry babies just like I'm tired of Jews and Israel thinking the whole world is out to get them. It's ridiculous.

    Bottom line is the Palestinians are not strong enough fiscally or military wise to hold the land so move on and build a new place. 200+ years ago this kinda crap didn't go on. Either you could back up your claim to land or you lost it. They never even had it to lose really.

    I like my solution. At least it's a solution
     
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    No one can deny this, those Arabs have a heavy hand but that's ok because they hate bagels I guess
     
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    I am a Jew. My bias is against the horrific behavior of some Jews who drag us all through the crap they leave on whatever they touch. They do this to create what gets labeled as anti-Semitism so they then can hide their crimes behind these false charges. I am just honest enough to tell the truth that others wont touch. And as the world continues to wake, I would not be so sure. The regime that occupies Israel may gone long before you realize.
     
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    why not also condemn the non-Jews who hate us for irrational and illogical reasons?

    its illogical and irrational to hate ALL Jews due to the poor behavior of a few hundred Jews.

    hating ALL Jews due to what some bad Jewish bankers, politicians, media owners do, is called "collective punishment".

    Its finding ALL Jews guilty by association, which is just what Hitler did.
     
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    Is "regime" your euphemism for "jews"?
     
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    Yes. The problem is the government of Israel - what that government is doing. That government is comprised of humans.

    When the Botha government ruled apartheid South Africa we didn't blame Caucasians. The same is true for Hitler - we don't blame Caucasians for what he did. Etc.
     

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