The Pentagon on 9/11 - MODERATOR WARNING ISSUED

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  1. Adam Fitzgerald

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    Between 9:16am and 9:26am passenger Barbara Olson called her husband, United States Solicitor General Theodore Olson, and reported that the airplane had been hijacked and that the assailants had box cutters and knives. About five minutes later, Barbara Olson called again, told her husband that the "pilot" (possibly Hanjour on the cabin intercom) had announced the flight was hijacked, and asked, "What do I tell the pilot to do? At 9:09am Danielle O'Brien, air traffic controller at Dulles International Airport, notices the re-image of the blip but going unusually fast at the descent near public airspace ""The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane. You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." At 9:30am Reagan Airport controllers asked a passing Air National Guard Lockheed C-130 Hercules to identify and follow the aircraft. The pilot, Lt. Col. Steven O'Brien, told them it was a Boeing 757 or 767, and its silver fuselage meant that it was probably an American Airlines jet. He had difficulty picking out the airplane in the "East Coast haze", but then saw a "huge" fireball, and initially assumed it had hit the ground. Approaching the Pentagon, he saw the impact site on the building's west side and reported to Reagan control, "Looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir." Three F-16 fighter jets ordered to scramble from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia take off and, radar data will show, are airborne by 9:30am. Flight 77, flying at 530 mph over the Navy Annex Building adjacent to Arlington National Cemetery, crashed into the western side of the Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia, just south of Washington, D.C., at 9:37am. In the area surrounding the Pentagon and Arlington over 125 people witnessed the plane's descent and subsequent crash into the Pentagon they included these accounts:
    Omar Campo - I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here."
    Afework Hagos - "There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."
    Steve Riskas - "I saw the plane hit the building. It did not hit the ground first... It did not hit the roof first... It hit dead center on the edge.."
    Steve Anderson - "It didn’t register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn’t believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as
    the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it’s wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange
    fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."
    Kim Flyler - "I pulled into the Pentagon parking lot and was trying to sneak into a spot closer to the building because I was pregnant. The security guard saw I was pregnant, so he was being nice and he was chatting with me. At that moment I heard a plane and then a loud cracking noise. We both looked up into the sky and it hit the building at that instant. It was so loud it still echoes in my head when I think about it. Right before the plane hit the building, you could see the silhouettes of people in the back two windows. You couldn’t see if they were male or female, but you could tell there was a human being in there."
    The Arlington County Fire Department (ACFD) assumed command of the immediate rescue operation within 10 minutes of the crash. Firefighters from Fort Myer and Reagan National Airport arrived within minutes. Various pieces of aircraft debris were found within the wreckage at the Pentagon. While on fire and escaping from the Navy Command Center, Lt. Kevin Shaeffer observed a chunk of the aircraft's nose cone and the nose landing gear in the service road between rings B and C. A pair of Navy men were the first to reach him. Yeoman Cean Whitmarsh was stunned that the lieutenant was still on his feet. His hair had been burned off. His polyester khakis were melted onto his skin. His flesh was charred black and bleeding and melted. And he was on fire: Flames licked up his left side. Army soldiers from Fort Belvoir were the first teams to survey the interior of the crash site and noted the presence of human remains. Early in the morning on Friday, September 14, Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue Team members Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz came across an "intact seat from the plane's cockpit", while paramedics and firefighters located the two black boxes near the punch out hole in the A-E drive. Investigators also found a part of Nawaf al-Hazmi's driver's license in the North Parking Lot rubble pile, which was used as evidence in the 2006 Zacarious Moussoui trial. Remains that were recovered from the Pentagon were photographed, and turned over to the Armed Forces Medical Examiner office, located at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. The medical examiner's office was able to identify remains belonging to 184 out of 189 victims. By October 2, 2001, the search for evidence and remains was complete and the site was turned over to Pentagon officials.
    American Airlines Flight 77 ATC Recording:
    American Airlines Flight 77 Transcript: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/16/national/transcript-of-flight-77.html
    American Airlines Seat Passenger List: http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/Flight77.png
    Zacarious Moussoui Trail Exhibits regarding Flight 77: https://web.archive.org/web/2014020...oui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200054.html
    Dulles Airport Security Video showing Majed Moqued and Khalid al-Mihdhar:
    6on77 documentary showing the sixth hijacker:
    Eric Gill interview meeting Nawaf al-Hazmi on 9/10/2001:
    National Transportation Safety Board Flight Path Study Flight 77: https://www.ntsb.gov/about/Documents/Flight_Path_Study_AA77.pdf
    Complete listing of Flight 77 eyewitnesses near Pentagon: https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77pentagon.pdf
    Arlington County Pentagon 9/11 Report: https://www.fireengineering.com/art...ngton-county-va-fire-department-response.html
    Staff Statement regarding security checkpoints: https://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_3.pdf
    Pentagon officials personal experience of the Flight 77 impact: https://web.archive.org/web/2004073...ds.com/pilotonline/special/911/pentagon3.html
    Search for Human Remains end regarding Flight 77 and Pentagon: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...a74-9f06-527baa8a0a9d/?utm_term=.cbb10a0b864c
    Black Boxes found at Pentagon: https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92510&page=1
    Vaughn Allex, Dulles Airline employee, checks in hijackers: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-9-11-hijackers-reveals-15-years-guilt.html
    FBI 302's regarding American Airlines Flight 77: https://www.scribd.com/document/139...of-Interest-Flight-77-Fdr-Entire-Contents-393
     
  2. Gamolon

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    Based on the response below, you wouldn't understand. Oh well.

     
  3. Gamolon

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    I thought the whole wing was extremely weak? Why two different results on the same wing? One pole was snapped in half without severing the wing and the other severed the wing.
     
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    Quit playing games Koko. Did the second pole inward sever the wing? Yes or no?
     
  5. Betamax101

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    Yeah quit playing games. This would the game of pretending not to see the much weaker wing slicing through two tougher poles.

    You seem to be rather evasive here, are you afraid?
     
  6. Kokomojojo

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    Hey mom look no poles!

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    I can slice your posts to shreds all day long

    Obviously they forgot to reinforce that plane!


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    you did huh?

    You already agreed that the wing was chopped off, and as you can see we are not talking about any part of the wing inboard of the engines.
     
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    Hey Koko-mom, look he avoided the post above yet again.

    What is this? Your failure is so complete it is not even up for question. Now you want to compare a wing hitting water, to a pole?

    That claim isn't even as smart as totally dumb! I do not believe you could even think they are comparable.


    Did you take physics at junior level?
     
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  8. Kokomojojo

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    Yeh before grad level.

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    The least they could have done was reinforce those wings!

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    especuially since its so cheap!

    Only $2.56 a bag in bulk, but the airlines were just to cheap to properly reinforce it before mowing the light poles!
     
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  9. Betamax101

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    Are you afraid to answer my post? You keep deliberately ignoring it, because you KNOW you are wrong.

    You have invested so much of your time making this bullshit claim about poles, that now you cannot back down because you don't want to lose face. Well guess what, too late!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-102#post-1070057489

    I notice also that none of the other truthers has responded to it or called you out on your comedic errors. This is one of the fundamental problems with all conspiracy theorists. They cannot come up with a coherent story that fits the known events, let alone prove it. So what we get is a whole series of side bullshit sub-claims that contradict each other, yet not one single person on the same side of the fence as yourself will pull you up about it!
     
  10. Betamax101

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    Did you ever learn humility?

    Ok Koko, I really need you to stop playing the evasion game and watch YOUR car hitting the light pole:


    Here it is at 1:25, knocks it over!

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    Another at 2:11 absolutely obliterates the pole!

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    Another in entirety knocks it over!

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    The car is going 50mph or close enough. It weighs 1 ton.
    The plane is going 500mph+ and the wing weighs 50 tons with fuel.

    Did your "before grad level" physics cover this simple scenario? I showed you a far weaker wing surviving 2 much stronger poles, imbedded in concrete as standard. We now have motor vehicles knocking the poles over at 1/10th of the speed of the plane and a fraction of the destructive power of the edge of a wing.

    You lost this debate the moment you bought into this total batshit theory.
     
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  11. Kokomojojo

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    500+?
    so what?
     
  12. Betamax101

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    Kinetic energy.

    Answer the full post. Or are you really that afraid. If you had the truth and science on your side, it would be easy. You have neither. you have no answer to all 3 cars knocking over the pole or the plane knocking over the telegraph pole held up by solid foundations. Not 1" bolts!
     
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    typical cowardly answer ...
     
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    its an awesome answer, as you can see beta is silent and so are you!

    so what?
     
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    Hey Koko, you're getting a serious ass-whooping here, any time you want to show everyone how smart you are, answer the two large posts that you are clearly frightened of.

    I can explain all about kinetic energy and why it makes a difference, straight after you bow your head in abject failure and admit your hopeless errors.
     
  17. Kokomojojo

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    really?

    what difference beta?

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    same poles, police car is totalled, :confused:

    the bolts you claim are so weak did not break

    the pole you claim is so flimsy is still standing!!

    WTF???

    Cant wait to hear your 'explanation'. :lol:
     
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  18. Betamax101

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    Do you know what a lever is?

    You really ARE so very afraid aren't you. You are flailing around like a whirling dervish and posting any old bullshit, just to avoid the two posts that make a complete mockery of your daft claim.

    Now Koko, be a truth seeker and answer the two very difficult posts. Everybody on this side of the fence knows why you are so frightened to do so.
     
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  19. Kokomojojo

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    tell us

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    just look how it levered that wing right off that plane!

    What were you saying? o_O
     
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    So, to recap:

    • You are afraid to answer both posts.
    • You don't know how kinetic energy works. A force stronger than the resistant force of the support.
    • You don't know the effect of striking a pole higher up with vastly more force ie. a lever.
    • You don't know the difference between a rigid pole in the ground and one held up by bolts.
    • You claimed a hollow pole should slice off a reinforced plane wing, whilst bizarrely suggesting that the blast reinforced pentagon wall would NOT slice off the tail fin!
    • You unbelievably put up a plane crash in water and suggested it had some relevance - off the scale foolish and richly deserving of a failure award..
    • You don't know what debate is.

    To summarise:

    • You have been shown a video and screen captures of a plane knocking over rigid poles in the ground and retaining its wing. You avoided it.
    • You have been shown numerous cars knocking over poles after you deceptively made a gif of a car appearing NOT to do it, when seconds after YOUR gif, the pole falls over! You avoided that too.
    • You have been given simple clues like "kinetic energy" and "lever" but sadly you lack the education to understand them.
    • Your responses are just evasion of the worst kind..
    Now, to everybody reading this thread - I wish to demonstrate quite an act of subterfuge.
    Image 1 is a screen grab from Koko's gif showing a car hitting a light pole. It appears to show the pole staying upright:

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    Image 2 is a screen grab from the video of this same crash, but a few seconds after Koko's gif:

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    I will not let this information get buried until he retracts it or acknowledges this!
     

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