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  1. Scott

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    No Scott ... I'm not going to take a ruler to my computer screen when I do not understand all the parameters at play ... I also think it is a meaningless exercise considering all the other evidence of a 757 having impacted the Pentagon ... have you even watched the Coste vids yet? ... they are narrated by another truther, David Chandler ... watch the vids and hear how he seems a bit reluctant to confirm all the evidence but in all honesty, he seems convinced that a 757 hit the Pentagon ...

    quit being lazy Scott ...
     
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    great then you can be the first person in history to come up with more than a pickup truck load of debris. This oughtta be good peeps since the gubmint couldnt even fake that maybe shine can!
    waiting..............
     
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    Enlarge the picture?

    You are putting a ruler onto a screen and you suggest that it shows 0.4 and 0.6 of a millimetre? The thickness of the lines are wider than within the screen can skew this significantly. This is the kind of "science" a 5 year old would perform.

    Viewed from a camera 45 degrees offset, the length would be 110 feet. Just about 10% discrepancy in your ridiculous method shows a correct figure.

    Please explain why you are more concerned with your inept method being validated, than using the simpler and far more accurate method shown to you(by shinebox), using pixels in the picture? Do you agree with his results?
     
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    Question for you.

    When you physically measured the picture with your metric ruler on the screen, are you saying the ACTUAL length of the red line was 1.6 millimeters and the length of the Pentagon wall was 11.4 millimeters?
     
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    NOT the best way to scale, but here goes.

    Here is the measurement for the Pentagon wall using a metric ruler. About 137 mm.
    measure1.PNG

    Here is the measurement for the red line between the two camera view lines. About 25 mm.
    measure2.PNG

    281 meters (actual length of the Pentagon wall) divided by 137 mm (ruler length) = 2.05 meters per millimeter.

    25 mm (ruler length) of red line multiplied by 2.05 (meters per millimeters) = 51.25 meters which is 168.14 feet.
     
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    Wait.

    Look at my picture below. Is the space designated by my yellow dimension lines the space you measured? Or did you actually measure the length of the red line like you said above?
    measure3.PNG
     
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    I seem to have made a mistake with the decimal point but I made the same mistake with both measurements so it worked out the same. I should have said...

    .016 times 281 divided by .114 = 39.43 meters.


    We truthers think that public-relations agencies put bogus sites on line in order to obfuscate situations such as this. You're asking me to take it on faith. Anyway, there's nothing inaccurate about using simple measurements. Let's stick to direct measurements with rulers.

    I measued the actual length of the red line.


    There's something strange going on here. When I put my ruler against the sceen and get the measurements of your blow-up, I get .042 meters for the space where the plane is supposed to be and .261 meters for the length of the Pentagon wall.

    .042 times 281 divided by .261 = 45.21 meters.

    I did my measurements gotten from the sixth picture from the top in this link again...
    https://web.archive.org/web/20111205224534/http://0911.voila.net:80/index4.htm

    ...and I got the same thing as before. There's a difference of 5.78 meters between what I got with your blow-up and what I got with the picture on the screen.

    Please hold your rulers up to the screen and measure the actual picture on the screen and tell me if you get .016 for the space where the plane is and .114 for the length of the wall.
     
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    where do you get your statement of a pickup truck load of debris from? ... would love to see you provide evidence of that ... do you have it in gif form seeing that gifs are the only "evidence" you ever offer? ...

    more troofer nonsense ...
     
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    Scott, what unit of measurement is your ruler broken down into? Millimeters? So when you measure you're getting 16 millimeters and 114 millimeters respectively when using your ruler?
     
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    Yes. That's right.
     
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    If I scale the image so that the Pentagon wall is about 114mm I get about 22mm for the red line, not 16.

    144mm for the wall.
    scale1.jpg

    About 21-22mm for the red line.
    scale2.jpg
     
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    Problems. You are not a truther, the same picture YOU identified is being used with an infinitely easier and accurate method!

    Yes there is, when you can't even get the decimal point right, you reference the sideways on length of a 757 instead of the 45 degree angle length and then there is your innacurate measurement that changes by nearly 6 metres!

    Translation: The use of pixels at every picture ratio shows your claim to be yet more nonsense.

    I see you totally ignored this 100% efficient method.

    It's called a troofah trying to wriggle out of their dumb claim being exposed.
     
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    Please try this. Go to the sixth picture from the top in this link and simply put your ruler on the screen and measure the red line and the length of the wall and tell me what you get.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20111205224534/http://0911.voila.net:80/index4.htm

    Don't make any changes. Just measure it directly on the screen.

    Only a person with a high technical background could verify that the pixel method you people want to use is not bogus. There's nothing difficult about simply measuring the line and the wall in the picture and calculating the length of the actual line. There's no reason not to do it that way. It's junior high math.


    I say that your measurement is the innacurate one.

    This is one of those anomalies that's simply too clear to obfuscate. Any seventh grader could do the math on this. There's no need to use pixels.
     
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    Just opening the picture on my screen and measuring.

    I get 70mm for the Pentagon wall and 13mm for the red line between the two camera view lines. 281m (actual length of Pentagon wall divided by 70mm (measured length) equals 4.014m per scaled 1mm. 13mm (measured red line) multiplied by 4.014m (per scaled mm) equals 52.182m or 171.2 feet.

    Photo of measuring the Pentagon wall. 70mm.
    scaled3.jpg

    Photo of measuring the red line. 13mm.
    scaled4.jpg

    Both measurements were taken by just opening the link you provided and scrolling down to the sixth picture.
     
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    This is strange. When I measure the red line, I get 16 millimeters. When I measure the length of the wall, I get 114 millimeters. Are you going to the sixth picture from the top on this page?
    https://web.archive.org/web/20111205224534/http://0911.voila.net:80/index4.htm

    You seem to be measuring something that's radically different from what I'm measuring.


    Hey Betamax and Shinebox...

    Let's hear what you two get. Please go to the sixth picture on that page and just hold your rulers on the screen and do the measuring; don't make any enlargements or any other changes. Just measure it directly from the screen.


    I'm having a busy day so I probably won't be back until tomorrow.
     
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    Scott.

    Here's what you need to do for us to make sure you aren't lying just to save face. You need to pull up that picture on your screen and take a photo of it as you measure each item (Pentagon wall and red line). Make absolutely sure you get your entire computer monitor in the photo so we can make sure you aren't zooming in or out on the picture to get the desired measurements you want.

    Then we can discuss the results.
     
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    First of all, do you understand that each resolution of each computer monitor is going to yield different measurements? What is your computer monitor's resolution set to? Do you know what a "pixel" is?
     
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    This should read 114mm, not 144mm. Just an FYI.
     
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    This proves you wrong right here...

    I zoomed the picture to match your 114mm (physical screen measurement) pentagon wall dimension and got 21-22mm, not 16mm like you claim AND provided photographic proof of it.
     
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    Scott ... this is Chapter 11 of the Coste presentation which details the Pentagon cameras ... comments? ...

     
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    still waiting on the Toyota link ...
     
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    Are you being serious? This isn't even complicated, it is absolute child's play. The picture has a measurable and easily countable number of equally sized pixels for the wall and for the line. You don't need any technical background, you just need to be not stupid.

    You complete failure as a truther. Different monitors create different size ratios, it is why pixels are always accurate. You are as pathetic as you have always been.

    Pentagon wall is 68mm (red line just below is 70mm) Red line of plane is a fraction less than 13mm.

    281m divided by 68mm equals 4.13m per scaled 1mm. 13mm multiplied by 4.19m equals 53.7= 176.2 feet.

    You lose again.
     
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    I get the exact same result. The only difference between everything you have done and my actions is that you measured the red line below the wall as 70mm, I measured the actual wall as 68mm. On my monitor, the red line is also 70mm.
     
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    I'll try to do it the next time I'm at a cybercafe and I have enough time. I'd like you people to do the same. In the meantime, if there are any viewers and lurkers who are wondering who might be lying, they can measure it themselves.


    I figured a larger monitor would give longer measurements but I thought the proportions would be the same and the math would work out the same. I'll be surprised if the proportions change.
     
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