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  1. Bob0627

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    Post reported for rule violation.

    And airplane debris is called airplane debris and it usually belongs to a crashed airplane. When the NTSB performs a forensic parts identification per protocol after a plane has crashed, I can assure you they never match DNA to the logs that contain the list of all the parts for a crashed airplane. But that's ok you can believe that's incorrect and that they do actually match DNA to the logs, even that the DNA speaks, I wouldn't want to dash your silly concepts.
     
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    why? ...more useless troofer drivel? ...
     
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    I remember the first time I smoked weed ...
     
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    Yeah the guy does get a bit hysterical if a poster refuses to swallow his garbage.
     
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    Yet another post reported for rule violation. Please try to stick to the rules of the forum if you're capable.

    That's what I've been trying to explain to you all this time. So why do you insist on confusing DNA with airplane debris if you know DNA can never identify an airplane? Never mind, the question is rhetorical, I don't believe you will ever understand how NTSB airplane crash investigations work.
     
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    Pathetic Bob. Nobody has confused DNA with airplane identification. I am also not confusing you with an honest poster. Yet again you cowardly avoid answering. It seems your goal is to elicit a negative response. That's the behaviour of a troll


    Explain how the passenger DNA from flight 77 was found at the PENTAGON.

    Explain why you ignore the pictures of the 757 taken at the PENTAGON.

    Explain why DNA of passengers confirmed on flight 77, found at the PENTAGON, doesn't count as proof it was a plane.
     
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    That's what you've been doing all along. The claim is that there is no evidence that any of the physical debris was forensically matched to the claimed 9/11 airplanes. That is fact, not conjecture or conspiracy theory. The claim is that there were 2 FOIA requests for the documentation for the parts identification claimed by the NTSB director to have been completed by the FBI with the assistance of the NTSB. Both were denied. That is also fact, not conjecture or conspiracy theory. Note, I'm not asking you any questions about these facts because the burden of proof is not on you to match the allegedly recovered debris to the claimed 9/11 planes. I don't give a **** about what you believe or don't, your opinion and your silly questions demanding that I explain to you what I have nothing to do with will never change the fact that there is NO physical proof (i.e. airplane debris) that matches any of the 4 9/11 planes.

    So here you're ranting about DNA which has zero to do with the above facts, yet you claim you're not confused.

    But I will try to address your reverse burden of proof questions regardless that I know you won't be satisfied with my responses.



    I can't explain what I don't even know is true. You decided to take the US government's claim on faith that passenger DNA from flight 77 was found at the Pentagon. There is no known documented chain of custody of the DNA for that claim.



    You keep making false claims that I ignore things about 9/11. This is nonsense, I've been studying 9/11 issues nearly daily for over 14 years, I've ignored nothing. It's quite possible I may have missed something but certainly never ignored anything. I've seen the debris photos and it's quite possible they are from a 757 but there's no proof any of it does come from a 757. That is why parts identification is an essential component of a NTSB airplane crash investigation. But even if it does, as explained numerous times there's no incontrovertible proof the debris is actually from AA77. And even if is from AA77, that does not end an incredible amount of controversy with regard to the official claims about the Pentagon on 9/11.



    See above, you're leaping to conclusions based on acceptance of US government claims on faith. Again, I'm not as easy or as gullible as you. Anything that the US government claims about 9/11 is suspect because they have been caught in numerous lies, distortions and coverups, not mention criminal destruction of evidence. To accept what they claim on faith is for complete fools.

    The bottom line is it isn't my job or my position or reverse burden of proof for me to explain 9/11 to you. That is the job of the US government and they have failed catastrophically.
     
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    Tedious and pathetic. The bottom line to summarise your complete lack of bravery, finally we get half-assed waving of the arms! You dismiss the DNA of the passengers under the afraid to admit it guise of they are lying!

    Flight 77 took off. It never landed. None of the passengers have been seen since. The claim it was a plane is 100% consistent with this. You lack the integrity to admit it.

    The parts found are clearly visible from United Airlines and the photographed parts match a 757. You failed to address how it got there.

    Your blanket claim is that they are lying because of reasons.

    You complete failure. Untouched by logic, ignorer of evidence, fails to recognise the burden of proof, wears down opponents with 24x7 incessant garbage and has the audacity to claim they are highly informed about the subject.

    You are highly informed about idiotic conspiracy theories. Keep it up, once people stop pitying you and laughing at your repeated 24x7 crap, you may get a response. However it is obvious no amount of evidence can break through the wall of bovine excrement you have surrounded yourself with.
     
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    Like when you lied about what the NTBS person said about the debris he was holding in the video you mentioned?

    Again, get off your pedestal. You're no better than those you accuse of lying.
     
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    Faith huh?

    Do you have the final released papers that show the numbers, calculations, and models used to show that any of the points below are true? Did you check over those numbers, calculations, and models to make sure they are correct or is it just you taking all of them on faith?

    Right back at ya!
     
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    wow! for real? I have never seen any pics of a 757 at the pentagon, got some? all I ever seen was a bucket of unidentifiable **** mess that posers were pretending was a plane
     
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    That was a huge understatement but I knew that when I posted it.

    ... followed by yet another repetitious angry rant (talk about "tedious and pathetic").

    Sorry Beta, attack me all you want, it's of no consequence to me but all that huffing and puffing and still nothing you posted even comes close to my point about matching alleged physical debris and US government airplane claims of what planes these belong to. But do keep trying to convince me that the OCT is was you were fed it is if it makes you feel comfortable somehow. I can assure you it isn't working no matter how much you spin your wheels.
     
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    Absolutely, without proof especially when it comes to the US government, it's strictly faith based. But if you want to talk about "faith" by itself, there are two and only two choices, you either have faith the US government is telling you the truth about 9/11 (and supported by a host of mostly anonymous self professed "debunkers" and other anonymous internet OCT loving jocks) or that thousands of architects, engineers, chemists, metallurgists, fire fighters, explosives experts, pilots and many other academics as well as 9/11 eyewitnesses are claiming we were scammed by the NIST reports (as well as virtually everything else the US government has fed us about 9/11).

    As for me, all these experts merely confirm using science, logic and plain common sense what I've known since the very first time I saw videos of WTC7 being destroyed. And even more conclusively, the first time I saw the slow motion video loop narrated by David Chandler of the North Tower disintegrating.To be sure I could have turned the sound off on that one and still reached the same very obvious conclusion.

    If you mean by "final releases papers, etc." Hulsey's work, nope. These are not out yet and you know that. For me, I am anxiously waiting for it but I don't need it to confirm what I've long known is true. It will be yet another piece of evidence for the grand jury to analyze for themselves. And another piece of confirming evidence for me to study. I am still missing one key piece from Hulsey's preliminary report that I am very interested in.

    Nope, I don't need those to know the NIST reports are whole cloth, but there is a page of math analysis published in Hulsey's preliminary report if that interests you. Let me know if you need me to point it out for you so you can check over the math for yourself. As for me, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that shows the NIST reports are a criminal fraud without all that. In fact, I knew that as soon as NIST claimed WTC7 collapsed strictly as a result of fire, just from that claim alone.

    What "faith"? NIST admitted their fraud the minute they knew they were caught fudging the data, were told about it and refused to redo their "analysis" based on the corrected data they were made aware of. What kind of science is it when the scientific investigation panel is aware of multiple errors and yet fails to re-analyze their work based on the corrected data? In my 40+ years of systems analysis, design and programming, if I did that, my career would have lasted about 2 weeks if that much. These were friggin' experts tasked with scientifically investigating 9/11 events of all things Mr. So Be It. I think even you understand the enormity of it all even though you'll never admit it (see highlighted).

    Right back at me what? I asked IF he knows about the documentation I asked for, please provide it. It's obvious he doesn't because it doesn't exist. Perhaps you share the same school of thought he does in that the burden of proof rests on everyone except the claimant.

    As for the documentation proving the list I provided, that's been done in many different ways and posted, just follow the thread. Start at the very first post if you're interested (I assume you're not because you already know that):

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.458597/

    But if there's something you're missing that they can help you with you can always contact these people:

    (510) 292-4710
    2342 Shattuck Ave., Suite 189
    Berkeley, CA 94704

    https://www.ae911truth.org/

    or this guy:

    Leroy Hulsey
    Department Chair, Civil and Environmental Engineering
    Professor, Ph.D., P. E., S.E., Civil Engineering
    (907) 474-7816
    Duckering 243B
    jlhulsey@alaska.edu

    http://cem.uaf.edu/cee/people/leroy-hulsey.aspx

    Good luck Gamo.
     
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    Unidentifiable? Only by people like you. Quite clearly the parts photographed are from a 757 plane.
    http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/#parts
     
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    Your "point" about matching debris, relies on an honest person believing it if released. In the meantime, we have photographs of plane parts and human DNA and you lack the integrity or balls to admit it. We have witnesses who saw a plane and experts who confirm it was a plane. All you are doing is showing how deluded you are and how pathetically pedantic, deliberately in an attempt to dismiss valid evidence. Your insistence that it could all be lies is ridiculous and shows that even were you to be given every single piece of documentation available, you would claim it was faked somehow.
     
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    It was all plantable.

    You look very silly when you ignore this.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-93


    You don't seem to have taken this info in.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-91#post-1070011955

    The US government is quite capable of killing its own citizens.


    While you're at it, answer the last question in this post.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-78#post-1069894912
     
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    Everything in life relies on belief, honest or dishonest. Believing a proven dishonest entity (i.e. the US government) is also something one either does or doesn't do. The same is true with believing proven, universally accepted standards (i.e. physics, math, investigative protocols, etc.).

    "WE" have what the US government, a proven dishonest entity, claims we have, that's all. "WE" also don't have what the US government has been deliberately hiding from us, namely the massive amount of evidence they deliberately destroyed and all the tons of evidence they classified under pretext of "national security". You rely on what you've been fed by the US government on faith (e.g. with little, dubious or no supporting evidence). I don't rely on any of that, I'm not as easy or as gullible, I question EVERYTHING and trust NOTHING about the US government.

    "WE" have all sorts of eyewitnesses, some who corroborate, some who contradict the official story and some who contradict each other. Only a legitimate investigation carried out by appropriate experts with no conflicts of interest can try to separate what's true and what's not true. Anonymous internet jockeys who rabidly defend US government fairy tales do not fit into that category, nor do they convince anyone who is not already convinced. My position as stated numerous times is that it could very well have been what the US government claims it was but they haven't convinced me at all and done everything in their power to coverup. A coverup only convinces me their story is either false or there's much more to it than they want the public to know.

    It doesn't matter what YOU think of me, your opinion of me is irrelevant and often violates forum rules because you insist on personal attacks. You've already had several of your posts removed because you can't carry on a civil discussion.Stick to the issue if you're capable or you will continue to have your posts removed.

    It's ridiculous to YOU because you bought massive lies as truth and you trust a proven lying entity to tell you the truth about 9/11. You've dismissed every single question (or questioner) that contradicts the US government narrative by name calling and labeling.

    You try way too hard to stand by the OCT. For me it only shows how desperate you are to hold on to what you were fed because you're terrified it could be false and that would dash your world view. But for me (as already stated) you are irrelevant with respect to 9/11, just another OCT lover I use to try to expose the many lies we were fed by the US government.
     
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    And there in one idiotic sentence is the encapsulation of the delusion.

    I look silly when I ignore a link to my own post. How ironic.

    It isn't info, it is irrelevant spam. You attribute hearsay and possibly actual aggressive acts to an event without any evidence. Coulda-woulda-shoulda. Your comment would get you laughed out of the burger bar.

    Yes, by the most moronic of all alternatives. Crash the plane, using whatever resources. Or manufacture DNA/parts/witnesses/other explosion and hope nobody sees it/all attendees must ignore evidence of alternative explosion. It's plausible you don't have a brain.


    No worse than any other country. I doubt many agree with what we do to the rest of the world to protect our way of life or interests, but this is bullcrap to say it proves an idiotic multi-level conspiracy! The USA always gets found out, that's how you know we do the damn things in the first place!
     
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    I didnt see any identifiable 757 parts please point them out for me.
    delusion fits anyone who thinks planting evidence is not SOP in gubmint operations.
     
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    [​IMG]

    In this photograph showing debris outside the C-Ring punchout hole, an apparent piece of aircraft debris that does not appear to have been greatly distorted shows a curvature corresponding to the 12-foot diameter of a 757.

    Well there ya go, you mean you don't see a 757 here? Are you blind?
     
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    You're just trying to confuse the viewers who don't look at everything. I guess I'll have to post it.

    http://thepentacon.com/Topic11.htm
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    http://www.thepentacon.com/roberts

    Roosevelt is the critical first flyover witness. He did not see the Pentagon attack jet on the approach at all. He only saw it immediately after the explosion as it banked away from the Pentagon.

    He was at the east side of the loading dock when he saw the plane over the south parking lot of the Pentagon.

    Roosevelt says that the plane was 50 to less than 100 feet above the light poles in the south parking lot and was banking around. His exact direction of the bank is a bit unclear from the interview but it sounds as though he has it banking around to the north since he says towards the "mall entrance side" which is on the north side of the Pentagon.

    He says "southwest" but we think his directions were confused at that moment since it sounds like he is struggling to visualize and verbalize the proper cardinal direction which is to be expected from eyewitness recollection. He does clarify further when he says it was not banking towards the airport meaning it wasn't banking southwest after all.

    As much as we would like to clarify his account further either Roosevelt got scared or somebody told him not to talk to us because it was clear he was avoiding us after promising follow up.

    As discussed in the documentary we were able to eventually reach him again weeks later after trying maybe a dozen times.

    Eventually we got a hold of him again and basically explained the implications of what he saw in a last ditch effort to get him to talk to us in more detail. After that discussion he agreed to an on camera interview for one week later on Sunday June 8th. Unfortunately when I called to confirm he backed out.

    At this point it's clear that Roosevelt is nervous regarding the implications of what he saw and prefers to not put himself in a difficult position by implicating his boss and no doubt as far as he is concerned jeopardizing his livelihood.

    This does not change the fact that he already officially reported this jet in 2001 and has independently confirmed this to us in 2008.

    There is absolutely no possible explanation for what he saw other than the flyover.

    The C-130 came in significantly later, was not nearly that low, and was not anywhere near the south parking lot and didn't even fly over the Pentagon. Plus Roosevelt is certain what he saw was a silver commercial aircraft/airliner with jet engines, and not a C-130 with propeller engines.

    To dismiss all of these accounts as a fluke is illogical. The extreme level of validation of the north side flyover combined with the obviously questionable nature of the physical evidence not to mention the fatal contradictions in the officially released data leaves us no conclusion other than military deception on 9/11.

    We are calling on all citizens to help us force a congressional inquiry into this extremely dire matter that has major implications on a global scale.
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-91#post-1070012047
     
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    proof posers have a great imagination, which is why they are incapable of identifying a 757 to anyone but themselves and their vivid imaginations.
     
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    You've worn me out with bullcrap Bob. You're dishonest, that's the obvious truth. No logical or fair minded person would dismiss all the evidence, because they claim other evidence has been deliberately destroyed or withheld. Your claim is up there with the dumbest of the dumb. If you had all the evidence, your pathetic belief system would say it was all lies. And please spare me your part-time moderator hogwash. I strongly suspect you deliberately attempt to wind people up then report them to attempt to stop opposition. Your repetition is getting almost as bad as the serial forum spammer.
     
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