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  1. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    You are the yapping lap dog as a tennis ball goes bouncing by. You have no more clue than a box of frogs.

    No, that is not "all I've got", I just gave a link to you that shows a whole series of plane parts. It doesn't include the ones photographed outside. I am impressed that you can remove your head from your backside long enough to type another dumb post.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    You know its really rude to claim anyone else is afflicted with your shortcomings and personal issues.
    Yes it is all you got, thats all you can provide.
    I didnt ask for a series of plane parts, I did ask you to read for comprehension but you failed, again.
    there you go projecting everything you lack on everyone else again
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Nope, not projecting. One of us is actually debating, you are just trolling.

    https://rense.com//general32/phot.htm

    Read it. Explain why the parts from an airplane are not parts from an airplane. Explain why the ones found on the lawn are not from UA. Explain why Occam's razor doesn't apply, where witnesses saw a plane, a plane disappeared, passengers disappeared and their DNA was found at the crash site, plane parts were found at the crash site.

    Nobody is expecting you to answer honestly. Truthers are the most dishonest people on the internet.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Totally projecting, clearly you dont even know what that means.
    II am trying to debate but you cant seem to comprehend whats being said.
    Is this your first day on the job? This is 101.
    The way it works is that if you want to claim the gubmints story is legitimate then you assume the position of litigating for the gubmint, the gubmints position is clear that those parts are from flight 77, litigate it. I suggest you do that unless your position is nothing more than namecalling bullshit because you have nothing to debate which is quite clear so far.
    Witness testimony without evidentiary corroboration is 99% meaningless, close to zero, in cases where we expect a pile of matching physical evidence which should be approx 15 to 20 ft high otherwise its useless for these purposes.
    Actually not, because here you are with nothing but name calling and some links that do not present evidence that would be allowed in court (except of course for a show trial).

    I want to see your evidence which requires a full explanation why you think its evidence complete with the custody lists and depositions. If you think occams razor applies in any way feel free to add that to your brief.

    The gubmints position is clear that those parts are from flight 77, you are attempting to litigate on behalf of the gubmint, so stop dancing around and prove it.
     
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  5. Bob0627

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    I am currently working on a more appropriate and thorough response to the above phony "challenge" Gamo. I will post it in the appropriate thread when ready. Thanks for your support in pursuit of my objective, I do truly appreciate your cooperation.
     
  6. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    For the extremely sad and hard of understanding.

    Are you claiming that all aircraft parts, regardless of what flight and all body parts and DNA is faked?

    If you are, you are stuck in tin foil land without a brain. You are dismissing evidence whilst asking for more - the act of an unreachable troll.
     
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    my argument has nothing to do with body parts or dna, neither of which proves a plane crashed.

    Bottom line you are jerking me around because you cant show me the major parts of a 757.

    757's have 2 very large rolls engines, not one but 8 wheels, and there is no hole in the pentagon that the tail slipped into and strangely enough there was no tail on the ground.

    Are you going to argue that the 757 that allegedly flew into the pentagon had no tail, is that why we cant find either the tail or the hole it would have had to have went into?

    I dont want to hear about your bs 'plane parts, or other irrelevant 'alleged' evidence until you can prove a 757 crashed, **** you can fit on and haul in using toyota pickup truck is insufficient.

    Face it you cant cough it up, all you have is name calling strawmen and redd herrings in your debate arsenol which is a quantum FAIL for anyone capable of reason.

    Otherwise still waiting for those validated 757 parts in your imagination to materialize.
     
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    Hot damn, you have some pictures, so you're a believer. Bravo!

    If you want to see what the debris from a crashed Boeing looks like, go back and review the aftermath of the Asiana flight into SFO a few years ago. Massive engines, massive landing gear assemblies and more, all much larger than a man.

    Yet at the pentagon we saw nothing like that. Some small wheels, a single small turbine engine, but nothing consistent with an airliner like AA77, nothing at all.

    But you have faith Betamax, so that's good for religion. This analysis is not religion, and you have no facts to support your belief. Take you pictures and say a prayer. Faith is when you believe in something you know ain't so.

    Why won't you prove him wrong? Why don't you prove that AA77 struck the building?

    Because you cannot, that's why. Occam rules--there was nothing there belonging to AA77 because AA77 did not strike the building.
     
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    You don't have any argument to make. You can't even answer a dead simple question!

    Are you claiming that all aircraft parts, regardless of what flight and all body parts and DNA is faked?

    High velocity impacts pulverise the plane. It entered an enclosed space continuing the pulverising. Then it burnt. What brainlessness to suggest all the tires or wheels would survive or that the engines wouldn't get mangled!

    What the hell are you talking about with the tail? It went into the building then squashed into the front of the plane. You pathetic people with your pathetic uninformed observations. Here we are 18 years later and we have internet zeros blowing air out their butts.

    So you claim they aren't real parts or that they were planted. Multiple options and you pick the dumbest of them all.

    You ignored the page and all the parts. You ignored the matching human DNA. Face what? I'm exchanging with a dishonest troofah? That's about the size of it.
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    You are doing a very good impersonation of an imbecile. The Asiana plane was not driven into a building! They weren't trying to obliterate it and all on board.

    Everything was different. Higher speed. They were TRYING to crash it not save it. They went into an enclosed space nose first not an open stretch of ground belly first.

    You cannot be that dumb not to realise the glaring differences.

    I did.

    Apart from the photographed bits and the DNA matched bodies. The witnesses all say it was a plane.
     
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    NO ONE (much less YOU) has ever proven that any of the recovered physical parts matched the recorded logs of the parts for the plane designated as AA77 or any of the other claimed 9/11 planes for that matter.The ONLY entity that has that capability is the FBI for where the NTSB director claimed such a parts identification was actually conducted. However there is no known document that proves it because the FBI refused to release it despite 2 FOIA requests.

    You keep trying to mix apples and oranges and hope your phony red herring arguments stick. No "photographed bits", DNA and/or witnesses are a substitute for physical airplane parts identification. Only physical airplane parts from the plane designated as AA77 can possibly be matched to the airplane designated as AA77. Unknown alleged airplane parts can never confirm they were from AA77 no matter how much you want to believe they were.

    Stick to huff and puff insults, name calling and red herrings, that's about the extent of your knowledge of NTSB airplane crash investigations.
     
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    It is proven beyond any reasonable doubt to any sane, logical and actual reasonable person that it was a plane.

    Once again for the truly sad 18yrs 24x7 soap box noise machine:

    There were photographed plane pieces. They match the flight claimed to have hit.

    A plane took off and was never seen again. None of the passengers have been seen again.

    The DNA from the crash scene identified bodies from the flight 77 passenger list.

    The hole in the Pentagon matches the plane impact.

    ALL local witnesses saw a plane approach.

    Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

    No planers offer no evidence whatsoever to dismiss anything or support an alternative.

    The burden of proof is on any incompetent joker who says it wasn't a plane as the evidence overwhelmingly says it was.
     
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    What verifiable documentation can you produce that proves that? Just your hot air?

    Again for the really dense, there is NO PROOF that any of the alleged recovered PHYSICAL AIRPLANE PARTS belong to AA77 no matter how much you try to divert the point. With all your phony dancing and unsupported claims you haven't proven otherwise and haven't even tried. No one has. No DNA, eyewitness claims, OCT claims and/or photos or your hot air = airplane parts identification that might confirm the PHYSICAL AIRPLANE PARTS belong to AA77.

    You just can't get around your obnoxious ad hominem insults and diversions. I am not even arguing whether it was a plane or not but you try to pretend that's my argument.
     
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    yeh debunkers have all gone home in disgrace a long time ago, all that left are posers and they are blindingly obvious.
     
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    Post reported for the usual rule violation.

    1. AA airline mechanics are not NTSB investigators, the alleged claim is unsupported and irrelevant. In fact any AA personnel constitutes a conflict of interest. Investigations by NTSB personnel must be independent of the airline in question.
    2. In accordance with the NTSB airline crash manual there is a protocol for preserving recovered debris and forwarding these to the lab for forensic examination, a photo with a partially obscured serial number that hasn't been forensically matched to the log is not it.
    3. The link you provided doesn't work.



    The above is linked to an anonymous post. But even if the above is from the alleged AA mechanic, assurances have nothing to do with airplane crash investigations and are strictly faith based. Also see above.

    There is no evidence that any of the above has been forensically matched to AA77, just your usual repetitive unsupported hot air claim.

    It seems to me the only place you run rings around is your own failure to understand what NTSB airplane crash investigations consist of and that insults are not a substitute for education and knowledge.
     
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    Hey Bob, that way you can be here all on your own making all the noise with nobody to own you.

    Bullshit and irrelevant. It was identified and as usual you are afraid to acknowledge it.

    Irrelevant. The part was identified. As are the wheels, the tires and the fuselage.

    Makes no difference, one less thing for you to run away from.

    AA mechanic knows what his plane looks like and what parts are what. Your weasel actions continue.

    Your very cowardly actions continue. Irrelevant. It was a plane. It had 757 parts. A plane disappeared that was a 757. People on that plane were DNA matched to body parts found at the crash scene.

    It isn't hot air to point this out. Your utter failure as a truther continues. You are just afraid to admit anything.

    The things that "seem to you" are confirmation bias gone mad. You are afraid to admit anything.
     
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    I diidnt say there was a shortage of people to argue with, seems you cant comprehend anything without creating a strawman out of it, I said debunkers no longer exist, truthers sent them home in disgrace and the gap was filled with posers. Posers are trolls that pretend to understand evidence, pretend to understand engineering and physics and the reality, all they got in their micro bag of tricks is name calling and drama, the comedy central crowd.

    Oh yeh ozeco41 and white eagle, couple of my fav real engineers, quite intelligent, nothing like we see out here today, really enjoyed tearing apart and dismantling their always flawed theories to show the world the extents people go through to perpetuate fraud. I am glad to see they are still in pain over it and licking their wounds. Possibly the only 2 really fun trolls I have ever run into out here because I had to use more than 2 brain cells dealing with their nonsense putting them down because they were real engineers, gubmint trolls but real engineers none the less. Compared to what we have out here today which is nothing short of comedy central, posers.

    No its not, I found that on the lawn in my back yard, how did they get it?

    Hey where is the rest of flt 77? You were supposed to show us 7 more wheels and the 44 foot tail fin that some bone headed poser claims he held in his hands.

    Your debris list is about 60 tons short of the mark.:rolleyes:
     
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    The usual worthless drivel that doesn't prove anything about AA77 and only shows you know nothing about NTSB airline crash investigations. Your insults are merely a cover for your frustration with your obvious lack of knowledge of the subject matter. They only serve to display your lack of maturity.

    But do keep violating the rules with your insult filled posts, they will all be reported as appropriate. Don't you get tired of having your posts deleted?
     
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    You're like a random noise generator. Absolutely nothing in that sentence is of any value at all. I can see why people give up and leave the inmates to their rubber room.

    Ditto. Not debate just noise.

    Encapsulated in more noise is the implication they planted it. No amount of evidence would suffice, you have no integrity, no logic, no critical thinking.

    You debate like a small kid in the schoolyard, poking his tongue out. Not once have you ever performed a straight forward analysis response!

    The tail was disintegrated. Using your brain you should be able to deduce that he held a recognizable piece of it! My debris list is the photographs made public. What possible reason is there to make the whole load of recovered parts available? If the objective is to shut the noise makers up, we already know that wouldn't work!
     
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    Deliberate avoidance of the evidence once again in the hope of eliciting a negative response. Your only hope to avoid accountability for your failures is to report everyone.

    Grow a backbone. Then some balls to answer properly and honestly!

    Gee Bob, that sounds like the behaviour of a troll. Avoid, bait report. To my memory you have reported my post 3 times. I have had one post deleted, but you ignored it anyway, ironically proving the name you were called was accurate.
     
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    No just you. You don't know how to maintain a civil discussion as evidenced by this post which I won't bother to quote for the most part (as well as most of your recent posts). As such there's nothing here I want to discuss with you, it's the same old regurgitated crap. The OCT is 100% correct because the US government said so and you, you, you, you (insult laced garbage). Boring.
     
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    Afraid of evidence. It seems amazing that anyone can be this way, but when they've been Gorilla-glued to their soap box for 18 years repeating the same claims 24x7 nothing can get through.

    We have witnesses saying they saw the plane. We have poles knocked over, buildings damaged and a plane sized entry hole with scorching and damage highlighting it was winged. We have plane debris on the lawn showing it was a UA flight. We have images of 757 landing gear and tires. We have 757 engine parts. We have numerous items that are also recognizable as coming from a 757 plane. We have a missing 757 with its crew and passengers. We have DNA analysis showing the same passengers as the Flight 77 list.

    And then we've got Bob arm waving it all away.

    The name I called you was 100% accurate.
     
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    That is a horribly inaccurate post. Wilful ignorance or outright BS? Who knows?
     
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    Witnesses say conflicting things so it's plausible that those who say they saw a 757 hit the Pentagon were plants. This is consistent with a mixture of plants and real witnesses who saw something different from the official version.
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10632

    Are you saying that hole couldn't have been made another way?

    It doesn't look like that to me.
    http://physics911.net/images/pentagon_hole.jpg

    You're seeing what you want to see.


    They could have been set up in advance.
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9632&st=0&start=0


    That's not proof because it was all plantable. Show us something that wasn't plantable.

    You seem to be trying to bury this info I keep posting.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-91#post-1070011905

    If there are alternative plausible scenarios that would explain something, your version isn't proof; it's just one of the plausible scenarios. You need to take a class in basic logic.
     
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    The witnesses nearby saw a plane. We have already established that you have no concept of what the word plausible means. Your use of it involves it fitting in with your mad claims. You have no proof anyone was a plant and it is ever more ridiculous the number involved in this stupid hoax.

    No, you are. This is where you prove it. The burden of proof lies with those hard of understanding claimants.

    The irony. Your opinion is probably one of the least honest of anyone posting. I find it incredibly bizarre how you use a phrase that applies to virtually everything you post!

    Ludicrous. The ever increasing number of people and unfeasible events builds and builds. Prove they did this, show some witnesses or evidence. Kindly stop posting that link to "idiots for truf".

    Brainless as always. Prove it was planted. Now we have the crazy list to include a team to create the wreckage and a team to invisibly plant it. Unless you are suggesting the entire onsite team were in on this event!

    Answered and ignored.

    Moronic circular reasoning. You don't know what plausible means. You are the least logical person I have ever come across.

    You have untold personnel manufacturing plane evidence and planting it. You have a team killing the entire passenger list and crew, burning them cutting them up and delivering their body parts. You have a team disposing of the actual plane. You have a team planting charges to blow poles and out buildings. You have a whole barrage of fake witnesses including on site experts. You have somehow to scorch either side of the impact hole to make it look like wings. You have something to actually hit the building and make sure nobody sees it. The least this would require is a facility or ship capable of launching such an object and the team who do this.

    You are an object of sane people's derision if you think that batshit crazy list is plausible!
     
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