The Pentagon on 9/11 - Part 2 MODERATOR WARNING ISSUED

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    I would assume that they would ask the store for the camera tape that was used on the day of September 11.
     
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    You think they would take that chance? Store owner could sell exclusive footage to a media outlet for a decent penny. FBI aren't just gonna take someones word that only one tape out of a dozen had been used. Nor should anyone expect them to. To do so would be grossly incompetent.
     
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    Yeah, good point. Do you know what the guy is doing at 7:55 in this video? www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8_BLWWb4E8
     
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    The reality is that we know nothing about the cameras and what the FBI has other than what they told us, which is what they want us to believe. The FBI has lied multiple times about 9/11 and has withheld at least 80,000+ pages of documents from Congress, the 9/11 Commission and of course the public for over a decade and this information is still "classified".

    The Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry requested, among other evidence, the following:

    9. DOD FOIA #10A-0178 seeking records related to the Pentagon CCTV videos.

    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/2019/07/01/foia-fireworks/

    and claims it was completed but has "litigation potential". The Lawyers' Committee has not revealed what exactly was "completed".
     
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    Do you think that a plane hit the pentagon?
     
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    I think it's possible that a plane hit the Pentagon but for me the official Hani Hanjour fairy tale is beyond ridiculous. It's on the same level as as 2 planes causing the natural global collapse of 3 towers on 9/11 at free fall and near free fall. That's why, among many other reasons, it's critical that a forensic parts identification match be conducted on the alleged airplane debris that was collected. I'm guessing that as with almost all the 9/11 physical evidence, the debris was destroyed.
     
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    unboxing cell phones by the looks of it.
     
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    That's what I thought, but it seems odd because they have radios.
     
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    How do you explain that top section sinking on WTC 3 before the rest of it? I could believe WTC 1 and 2 being control demolished before I could believe WTC 3.
     
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    What do you think of this video at 2:20?


     
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    According to this:

    WTC 3 (a hotel) was first partially crushed by the steel skeleton fragments from the South Tower and then further crushed by those from the North Tower. In each case the rubble, falling from as much as 1300 feet, collapsed regions spanning several floors but was arrested by the building's steel structure.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc3.html

    So I don't believe anyone claims WTC3 was control demolished. The hypotheses for controlled demolitions is for WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7. You didn't specify the top section of which tower but videos show the top section of the North Tower (WTC1) seemingly disintegrating in mid air.



    You will also notice that none of the other towers (WTC3, WTC4, WTC5 and WTC6) were globally destroyed despite their closer proximity to the twin towers than WTC7. In fact WTC5 was fully engulfed in flames for hours and never collapsed at all.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc5.html

    It's so incredibly blurred that anyone can invent anything they want you to see in the blur.
     
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    Yeah, I meant the top section of Building 7. How do you explain the top section sinking before the rest of it?

    What do you mean "globally" destroyed?

    I'm pretty convinced by it. The outline of a plane is clearly seen. What else do you think it could be?
     
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    I can't explain it since I didn't plan it so I can only give my opinion. WTC7 was a huge 47 story building about an acre per floor. For a near perfect controlled demolition, parts of the structure had to be weakened first. Indeed there are multiple accounts of explosions going off at various times, including at least one caught on video. So likely a few seconds before the initiation of the controlled demolition, one such part beneath the East penthouse was likely blown out causing it to fall into the building. The West penthouse (larger in area) went down the moment the core columns were blown and a fraction of a second prior to the rest of the building that came down when the remaining outer columns were blown. At least that's my guess. When Hulsey's final report is published there may be a better hypothesis available.

    Completely and simultaneously, with no parts left standing and simultaneously, as opposed to a progressive collapse, which would likely have left portions standing.

    An indiscernible blur. It could very well have been a large plane, it could even have been AA77. Unfortunately, there's no physical, incontrovertible proof because none of it was made publicly available and much of any potential proof/evidence was withheld from the public, hence the FOIA request for the parts identification results. One would think if they have nothing to hide, why are they hiding everything?
     
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    How do you explain the lack of debris at the Pentagon?
     
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    We all make typos, no doubt, every single one of us. But how do you expect to be taken seriously when you cannot distinguish between WTC 3 and WTC 7? How can an intelligent discussion proceed from such?
     
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    Again I can’t explain anything about 9/11. Some claims are that most of the debris went into the Pentagon. For me this is a dubious explanation. As with everything about 9/11 it requires a thorough investigation, transparency and real answers.
     
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    WTF? How the hell is a typo evidence of not being able to distinguish between two things?
     
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    Actually that post was directed to @cjnewson88.
     
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    Sorry. I’m pretty sure that will be his explanation.
     
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    I would say its not for communicating on site with each other, rather to be able to keep in touch with different heads of different teams on and off site. Seems like a fair enough thing to do for a complex investigations with multiple teams doing multiple simultaneous lines of investigations.

    In response to your other question, there wasn't a lack of debris at all. There was plenty photographed.

    Conspiracy theorists run on the assumption that if there's not videos or photos of something on the internet then it mustn't exist. I shouldn't have to explain why that is stupid.
     
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    I have to assume that in the year 2001, every head of every team would've already had a phone, just like the vast majority of the population. I can't see why they couldn't have just exchanged numbers.
     
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    And official conspiracy theorists believe that conspiracy theorists run on the assumption that if there's no videos or photos of something on the internet then it mustn't exist.

    There are no photos or videos for many of the 9/11 corroborating eyewitness accounts, yet accounts of hearing, feeling, seeing and being injured by explosions and multiple accounts of molten steel or metal cannot be discounted without a thorough legitimate investigation. These eyewitness accounts were categorically dismissed/ignored/denied by the official conspiracy theorists without investigation and strictly by ASSumption. So who really runs on ASSumptions?
     
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    What would molten steel or metal demonstrate?

    What do you mean "OFFICIAL conspiracy theorists?"
     
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    So the theory would be that the penthouse was demolished independently?

    Does the same apply to the WTC hits?
     
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    Steel melts at 2,750 degrees F, a temperature that cannot have been naturally produced by the fires at the twin towers. Only an incendiary could have produced such a temperature. Eyewitness claims of seeing molten steel is unprecedented for any building fire. Claims of not being able to put out underground fires of extreme temperatures persisted for about 3 months after 9/11. John Gross, lead engineer at NIST states in a video that he never heard of any eyewitness claims of molten steel and NIST never bothered to investigate such claims. It demonstrates, besides the obvious anomaly, a deliberate coverup by NIST, one of many. NIST's phony "investigation" is well detailed in this thread:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.458597/

    Those who peddle and defend the official 9/11 conspiracy theory (OCT) as fact and hypocritically label anyone who questions or contradicts it as a "conspiracy theorist". A weaponized term used to ridicule anyone who doesn't fall in lockstep with any official US government claim in order to try to silence any discussion.

    According to Dr. Hulsey's draft paper, his models show the East Penthouse collapse was an independent event likely caused by a structural failure about 2 floors beneath the penthouse. There was no fire 2 floors beneath the penthouse.

    There is no publicly available evidence that any piece of debris from any of the 4 alleged airplane crashes was ever physically matched to the 4 claimed airplanes, not even the allegedly recovered FDR or CVR (black boxes). The official claim was that none of these contained identifying serial numbers, which is extremely rare. There was a claim by the head of the NTSB that a parts identification match was conducted by the FBI with the assistance of the NTSB but the results were never made public.
     
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