The Pentagon on 9/11 - Part 2 MODERATOR WARNING ISSUED

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The record shows that. Hamilton too.
     
  2. Bob0627

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    "Without Precedent" was co-authored by both Kean and Hamilton. So the quote "set up to fail" belongs equally to both co-chairs.
     
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    Why didn't Congress order the FBI to submit a report? And you say that the 80,000+ pages are classified to this day, but can't Congress order the FBI to declassify them?

    Well the Politico source that you linked to earlier talks about Bush knowing about a threat from Bin Laden, not that he knew about a threat from inside the government. So I can't see how you can use this source to say that Bush knew about the attacks if you disagree with the premise of what he actually knew.
     
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    I can't/don't speak for Congress. They are currently in the hands of a judge who seems to be holding them indefinitely.

    I assume yes.

    I have no clue what Bush actually knew or didn't know, I can only cite sources. What I know or speculate has nothing to do with what Bush was actually aware of. According to multiple sources he was fully aware of an imminent threat and did nothing about it. I can only speculate that the official story was already going around in high places. Certainly there's a host of evidence indicating foreknowledge about the impending attacks, not just within the Bush administration.
     
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    There was no "lack of debris" at the Pentagon, as they founds many parts of AA77 inside the building.
     
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    Really? Do you have a link to the forensic parts identification match that confirms any of the parts as belonging to AA77? And if that’s true why is there an outstanding FOIA request by the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry for such a match? Why would you invent such nonsense?
     
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    Thew problem stems from the fact that you have an abundance of conspiracy theorists who promote "fantastical" claims such as Holograms ro drones and when they imply this they in turn absolve the CIA-Saudi-Israeli elements from 9/11. They just dont understand the context of their allegations in which they are simply parroting. Most people within the Truth Community have been fed many competing conspiracy theories and most dont do actual independent studies of their own.
     
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    That's not the problem. The problem is when the US government promotes "fantastical" claims such as 19 Arabs hijacking 4 planes using box cutters and fly them unmolested and with near perfection into 2 WTC towers and the Pentagon at velocities far exceeding VMO and globally destroy 3 towers with 2 planes at free fall and near free fall and one wall of the Pentagon because they don't like our freedoms.

    Yeah, it's bad enough they don't get that the official story is a fairy tale made for children but some actually spend nearly every day defending this ridiculous story to this day despite that the storytellers publicly admit they were lied to, denied access to the truth and that the story is incomplete and flawed.
     
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    Are there no questions at all surrounding 9/11?
     
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    Don't you think that it is significant that for every claim made by alternative theorists, there is a debunking of it?
     
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    No they didn't. The debris found inside the building was not debris from an airliner. It was debris from some small single engine craft.

    Go through the photos and you will see the size of airliner landing gear. None of that was seen at the pentagon.

    https://www.kcra.com/article/photos-asiana-airlines-flight-crashes-at-sfo/6346438
     
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    The only theory I'm personally concerned with is the US government's official conspiracy theory about 9/11 that's been peddled as fact for the last 18+ years. That theory is the pretext used for a policy of endless genocide and human rights atrocities, as well as attacks our constitutionally protected rights. And unfortunately it is believed, supported and defended by an incredible number of gullible and apathetic Americans. Anyone who is awake, has done the research and has a reasonable amount of intelligence can understand that facts, science, logic and plain common sense drive massive holes or at least raise fundamental questions about this unsupportable theory. The official theory about 9/11 is lethal while alternative theories are harmless, there is no comparison.
     
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    What do you mean they are "lethal?"
     
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    Hundreds of thousands (perhaps over 1 million) of innocent men, women and children murdered under pretext of the official 9/11 theory.

     
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    Yes but you arent asking the right ones yet.
     
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    The problems stem from the fact that you have people, even some within this forum, that cannot even get the "basics" right regarding the events of September 11th 2001. This is why i have some on permanent ignore. I don't deal with people that purport "drones", "holograms" "no hijackers" etc. These people don't even do responsible research, some are even repeating this nonsense due to their trolling or because they were led to believe it due to the fact they watch frauds like Christopher Bollyn, Rebekah Roth, Loose Change, Jim Fetzer or Alex Jones. They think that by watching a Youtube video that constitutes "study". I wont deal with the likes of these people, which is why im careful who i interact with. The irony of some of these people who declare these laughably ridiculous propositions, is that they actually help defend the very same entities they claim they are against by spreading and believing such obvious nonsense.
     
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    What do you think the "rights ones" are?
     
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    Isn't there "facts, science, logic and plain common sense" in the debunking claims?
     
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    Goodness, what an analytical and open mind you have!
     
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    No, there are all sorts of apologist excuses for every question and contradiction raised by those who question or disagree with the OCT. The apologists never, ever question anything about the OCT and nearly always label those who question/contradict it as "conspiracy theorists", "tin foil hat wearers", "troofers" or any label they've been indoctrinated to use to try to dismiss them.
     
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    Start by looking at the Intelligence Agencies (CIA,NSA Mossad,Saudi GID)
    The Hamburg Cell, understanding the background profiles of the suspected pilots
     
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    Many of us already have. Many of us did that years ago. The visas for the so-called hijackers were issued in Saudi Arabia at the same time that John Brennan was CIA station chief there. He may have even signed the visas.
     
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    What I mean is, that for every engineer and scientist who questions the OCT, there is another who accepts it, while being able to make an engineering or scientific argument.
     
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    It isnt up to just them to make the case for you, you have to make a decision on what to know/believe. But i would lend this advice to you, dont stop at believing just because it fits into a worldview you hold. You want to know rather than believe. To know something requires fact. Knowing requires the person to act. Why do you think there are certain people here with "fake" profiles and purport ridiculous claims for which they wouldnt dare make in public.Because their transparent claims would fall apart in the face of objectionable fact out in the open. There are many actual anomalies regarding the events of September 11th 2001, but there are many who have "hijacked" the Truth Movement and have opined on many ridiculous theories.
     
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    That is not true at all. In fact there is not one legitimate engineer or engineering study or report that supports the NIST reports. The 9/11 Commission Report was heavily criticized by many and again no legitimate scientific/engineering study or report has supporting the 9/11 Commission Report. The vast majority of OCT support comes from mostly anonymous self proclaimed "debunking" entities who don't have the background or standing (or at least won't reveal a legitimate background) to defend the OCT. There was a Popular Mechanics piece in support of NIST that was thoroughly trashed in detail by engineers. The heart of their piece was an attack on "conspiracy theorists" that had nothing to do with science. Some of their claims originated from earlier NIST theories that NIST walked away from.
     
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