The Pentagon on 9/11

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Translation:

    This question has me checkmated so I'd better avoid addressing it. I'll just look silly if I try to obfuscate it and it will be clear that I've lost this debate.

    That question is for all of you pro-official version posters. I'd like to hear from all of you.

    Here's a link to the info in question.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-pentagon-on-9-11.482175/page-105#post-1070077978
     
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  2. Gamolon

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    No Scott.

    It shows that it was impossible for a 757 to do a complete 180 and end up BACK at the point it supposedly came in IN 10 SECONDS or less. This completely destroys any validity to your belief that a 757 pulled up over the Pentagon as an explosion went off and turned around to end up BACK at over 390/27/south parking lot.

    Bottom line? You have lost the debate about there being a flyover and what Roberts saw being the same plane.
     
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  3. Gamolon

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    He saw two different planes Scott. As has been proven, the plane that Roberts saw could not have been flight 77. It's impossible for flight 77 to have made a complete 180 in 10 seconds at the speed it was flying.
     
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    Here are the facts about a flyover Scott. Let's see who is misleading who.

    1. There is not one person on record saying they actually viewed or witnessed a 757 pull up and fly over the Pentagon as the explosion happened
    2. There is no evidence that the plane seen flying away was flight 77
    3. There is no way a 757 traveling at 460 knots was able to do a complete 180 and end up BACK where it supposedly came in 10 seconds or less.
     
  5. Scott

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    The maneuver you describe is impossible. Roosevelt Roberts was driving and talking at the same time and had trouble communicating what he was thinking. He was going to draw it for the CIT but he got cold feet and decided not to do it. Somebody probably talked to him.

    He said he saw a big jetliner with jet engines. Do you think he was imagining things? Do you think he didn't see a plane?
     
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    Reading comprehension Scott.

    It was not flight 77. I'm not arguing that Roberts didn't see a plane. He saw TWO DIFFERENT PLANES. It was impossible for the plane that Roberts saw to be flight 77.
     
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    I agree.

    So how could it be the same 757 that flew over the Pentagon?
     
  8. Scott

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    There you go showing things without the complete context to mislead those viewers who don't watch the videos. The witnesses who saw the plane on the North side of the gas station couldn't see the crash site. It was out of their sight exept for the one in the control tower and he was on the floor protecting his head. They all just assumed the plane hit the Pentagon when they saw the explosion. Roosevelt Roberts saw the plane flying away from the Pentagon after the explosion which is consistent with those other witnesses. You seem to be trying to bury this to reduce the number of viewers who see it.

    Viewers please watch these videos.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...estigation-team.548562/page-4#post-1070076404


    As I've said before. It flew over the Pentagon and didn't make that maneuver. Roosevelt Roberts was trying to drive and talk at the same time and couldn't describe what he saw accurately. He said he saw a large jetliner with jet engines. Tell us what you think about that.

    I don't have any more time. I'll be back later tomorrow.
     
  9. Gamolon

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    Explain to me what in your post above has to do with the three facts I posted?

    No, he didn't see THE plane, as in the same one that supposedly flew over the Pentagon. He saw A plane. There is no verifiable proof identifying the plane that Roberts (or any other witness) saw flying away as being the same one that supposedly flew over the Pentagon. As has been proven and that you now have agreed to, the maneuver that needed to be made by the supposed flyover plane in order to be where Roberts saw a plane IS IMPOSSIBLE.

    Right! So how could the supposed flyover plane and the plane that Roberts saw BE THE SAME PLANE. What are you even debating at this point?

    IT WASN'T THE SAME PLANE that supposedly flew over the Pentagon as the maneuver needed for that scenario was impossible as you have admitted numerous times now.
     
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    Why is everything he said that you use to support your claims not due to his "confusion", but the parts of his interview I use to disprove your stance BECAUSE he was "confused"?
     
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    Are you incapable of debate without a spam response? You just ignored the post, it didn't need your bogus translation - just an honest answer.
     
  12. Gamolon

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    I'm not even sure what he's debating at this point. He admitted numerous times that maneuver, which needed to be performed for the plane that Roberts saw to be the same plane that supposedly flew over the Pentagon when the explosion happened, was impossible. So he's proving that the plane Roberts saw was a different plane.

    I guess we wait until tomorrow when he returns.
     
  13. Scott

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    I don't have enough time to do any serious posting today.

    Anyone who takes the time to watch the videos can see that you people are misrepresenting the truther position. You're only going to sway a few viewers who don't watch the videos. You're not fooling anyone who takes the time to watch the videos.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lane-hit-the-pentagon.547977/#post-1070028643
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...en-investigation-team.548562/#post-1070062439


    Viewers:

    If you don't have the time to watch the videos, please withhold judgement unto you do.
     
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    You seem to pull this 'I don't have time" card whenever you have your evidence thwarted.

    It's simple Scott. You admitted that the 757 that supposedly flew over the Pentagon could never had made the maneuver to return to the point where Roosevelt Roberts saw a plane. That means there were two different planes.

    Yes or no?
     
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    You aren't the spokesperson for others. Your nonsensical opinion means nothing.

    Keep telling yourself this cut and pasted spam statement. It's never true about anything you post.

    Bizarre. It's almost as though you genuinely think people are hooked on your every post. Your witness is decidedly suspect, but of course it doesn't matter because you can skew his testimony to fit your mad claim. It involves you ignoring logic and reality.
     
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    Sway them from what exactly? What point are you trying to make at this time? Your original claim was that flight 77 (a 757) pulled up at the last minute when the explosion occurred and ten seconds later, Roosevelt Roberts saw that same plane flying away from the Pentagon in the same location it flew in.

    You have admitted that the maneuver needed for the above to be true was IMPOSSIBLE.

    That proves the plane that you claim supposedly flew over the Pentagon CANNOT POSSIBLY be the same plane Roberts saw flying away.

    You seem thoroughly confused at this point.
     
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    For anyone familiar with D.C., National (Reagan) Airport is in very close proximity to the Pentagon both not far off the GW Parkway. It's not unusual to see planes on arrivals & departures while driving on the Parkway. Whether there's a no fly zone over the Pentagon would have to consult the experts, but would seemingly be an air traffic emergency hazard.
     
  19. Scott

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    You people know you're checkmated so you're trying to muddy the waters to confuse the viewers. I'll put everything on the table to make sure they all see things clearly.

    Do a YouTube search on "National Security Alert - Part 7/9 - Sensitive Information" and start listening at the 2:09 time mark. Erik Dihle said people were saying that a bomb went off in the Pentagon and a jet kept on going.

    This would make an objective truth-seeker suspicious and he would want answers. He wouldn't be playing it down.


    Do a YouTube search on this video, "The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed Part 2"

    Start watching at the 57:30 time mark. He says he saw a comercial aircraft. At the 58:30 time mark he says the plane he saw came from the direction of where the explosion was on the other side of the Pentagon. Anyone who watches the whole thing will understand that he only saw one plane. He says he's sure there were two planes because he just assumed that the explosion was another plane hitting the other side of the Pentagon. This was out of his sight. A second plane would have been out of his sight so when you jump up and down and scream that he saw two planes, you just look silly.


    If you have time, go back to the the 41:50 time mark of the above video to get the whole context. If you have even more time, check out this info to see the big picture.

    Do a search on this video and start watching at the 8:20 time mark.
    National Security Alert - Part 2/9 - Sensitive Information

    In part 3 go to the 1:05, 3:50 and 8:25 time marks.
    In part 4 go to the 2:09 and 7:55 time marks.
    In part 5 go to the 1:30, 4:30 and 5:56 time marks.
    In part 6 go to the 1:40 time mark.


    Also, read the bottom of this page.
    http://www.thepentacon.com/Topic11.htm
     
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    Scott,

    If it was impossible for the 757 the supposedly flew over the Pentagon to make a complete 180 in 10 seconds (you admitted this a few times now), then how can it be the same plane that Roberts saw back in the same spot it came in. I love hoe you are avoiding the question at all costs.
     

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