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  1. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL That's the interesting part of conspiracy theories; mixing a little bit of fact in with pure conjecture.

    As for demons, dude, you're the one demonizing our military, intelligence and governmental services, not me. I have no demons. I'm simply curious about what makes conspiracy theorists tick.

    Example: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/23/conspiracy-theory-psychology/815121001/
    Despite the prevalence and pervasiveness of conspiracy theories, the reasons people are drawn to them is a relatively new area of study for psychologists....

    ...According to University of Chicago political science professors Eric Oliver and Thomas Wood, in any given year roughly half of Americans believe in at least one conspiracy theory. Their 2014 study found that 19% of Americans believed the U.S. government planned the 9/11 attacks to start a war in the Middle East, 24% believed former president Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and 25% believed Wall Street bankers conspired to cause the financial crisis that began in 2008. Those are high numbers considering there is zero evidence to support any of those theories.

    And a whopping 61% said they do not believe the official conclusion of the Warren Commission that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating President John F. Kennedy, according to a 2013 Gallup poll. The number has not dropped below 50% since Gallup began polling on the subject just after the 1963 tragedy.

    President Trump himself has expressed a belief in at least two of the above conspiracies at one time or another. He was the most vocal proponent of the baseless claim that Obama was not born in America, and during the 2016 Republican primary campaign, Trump implied Sen. Ted Cruz's father was connected to Oswald and the Kennedy killing. Trump has also said climate change is a Chinese-manufactured hoax meant to hurt U.S. industry. His characterization of Russian election meddling as a "made-up story" designed to discredit his election victory was deemed 2017's lie of the year by fact-checker Politifact last week.

    Everyone's a suspect
    Conspiracy theorists can be conservative, liberal or any other political stripe — male or female, rich or poor, well educated or not.

    To some extent, the human brain is wired to find conspiracy theories appealing. People are highly evolved when it comes to the ability to draw conclusions and predict consequences based on sensory data and observation. But sometimes those same processes can lead to oversimplifications and misperception through what psychologists refer to as "cognitive bias," van Prooijen said.

    Among the cognitive biases Van Prooijen and other psychologists believe contribute to the appeal of conspiracy theories are:

    • Confirmation bias: People's willingness to accept explanations that fit what they already believe.
    • Proportionality bias: The inclination to believe that big events must have big causes.
    • Illusory pattern perception: The tendency to see causal relations where there may not be any.
    Yet there are factors that make some people more or less inclined to accept conspiracy theories.

    People with greater knowledge of the news media are less likely to believe conspiracy theories, according to a new study, “News Media Literacy and Conspiracy Theory Endorsement,” in the current issue of Communication and the Public.


    “It’s significant that knowledge about the news media — not beliefs about it, but knowledge of basic facts about structure, content and effects — is associated with less likelihood one will fall prey to a conspiracy theory, even a theory that is in line with one’s political ideology,” co-author Stephanie Craft, a University of Illinois journalism professor, told the Columbia Journalism Review.

    Oliver believes the greatest predictor of people's likelihood to accept conspiracy theories is the degree to which they rely on their intuition over analytical thinking.

    "They go with their gut feelings. They’re very susceptible to symbols and metaphors," he said.

    Conspiracy theories as coping mechanism?
    One reason for the pervasiveness of conspiracy theories is that they serve an important psychological function for people trying to cope with large, stressful events like a terrorist attack.

    People "need to blame the anxiety that they feel on different groups and the result is frequently conspiracy theories," van Prooijen said, defining the term as a belief that "a group of actors is colluding in secret in order to reach goals that are considered evil or malevolent."

    "People don’t like it when things are really random. Randomness is more threatening than having an enemy. You can prepare for an enemy, you can’t prepare for coincidences."

    Conspiracy theories also appeal to people's need to feel special and unique because it gives them a sense of possessing secret knowledge, according to a study in the July 2017 edition of Social Psychology.
     
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  2. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no debate when it comes to conspiracy theorists. I've never, ever seen one who realized the error of their ways. To them, the CIA, LBJ or the Mafia killed JFK, the Moon landings were faked and 9/11 was an inside job. They'll never think otherwise.
     
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    I assumed you can't contradict a single one of the 29 FACTS I posted because no one can deny the truth, it stands on its on merit. So instead you post irrelevant nonsense that has nothing to do with what I posted hoping to bury those FACTS. You also claim there's "pure conjecture" mixed in but not one single item of detail. Sorry but your silly quest to determine what "makes conspiracy theorists tick" has nothing to do with the reality of the aftermath of 9/11. All hot air, no substance.
     
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    That's the beauty of conspiracy theories. They require people to prove a negative to convince the conspiracy theorists. How am I supposed to prove George Bush didn't pilot drones into the WTC from his WH desk after months of practicing with Microsoft's Flight Simulator? I can't. Therefore, according to conspiracy theorists, he must have done so.
     
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    You are very welcome Max!
     
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    So all that worthless and silly hot air and you still can't deny the facts I posted. No one is asking you to prove a negative or prove anything for that matter. If you can't refute those facts with any substance, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you agree with all of them by default. And if you agree with all those facts, the only other conclusion that can be drawn is that you agree the 9/11 Commission and their report is illegitimate unless of course your power of reasoning is defective.
     
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    Dude, you are free to believe whatever "facts" you want.

    Why do you think George Bush flew drones into the WTC?
     
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    And you are free to deny or ignore the facts. I don't have to "believe" the facts, they stand on their own.

    More silliness? Can't you post anything intelligent that makes sense?
     
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    Aren't you claiming 9/11 is an inside job? Why do you think they did it? It's okay if you admit you don't know.
     
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    The coverup and obstruction was a clear inside job. All you have to do is read those 29 facts. There's only one reason for a coverup, it's to protect the criminals.

    See above.

    I don't really know because there has never been a legitimate forensic criminal investigation into 9/11. I can only draw logical conclusions, something you apparently can't or won't do despite the facts.
     
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    Who said George Bush flew drones into WTC?

    You did.
     
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    Who are the criminals who committed this act of mass murder and why do you think the top leadership of the US government is protecting them? It's okay to evade answering, especially if you don't know.
     
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    That's one of the conspiracy theories. After all, he's a pilot.
     
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    That's one of the theories in your tortured mind. I'm a 911 truther, as you have pointed out, and after 12 years of study of the facts, that thought/idea/theory has never crossed my mind. You are desperate because you are so misinformed about the events of the day, and it shows.
     
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    LOL. Thanks for the confession.
     
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    You're welcome again Max. I happen to be proud of the fact that I question my lying government and media at every opportunity. I am proud of my independent thinking and analysis.

    I feel sorry for those who fall for every lie told by the powers that be, but understand the dynamics and implications of "ignorance is bliss". It is true that when everybody is thinking the same, nobody is thinking.
     
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    You are free to call it whatever you like, but after having worked with them for decades, I know that our nation's military, intelligence and governmental agencies are staffed with enough patriots to reveal anything as dark as you and other conspiracy theorists are suggesting.
     
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    I have no doubt that there are good men in government, military and civilian branches. The trouble is that the whistleblowers like John Kiriakou are prosecuted and imprisoned for telling the truth. Some are shot under false circumstances, like Pat Tillman. Some, like Hugh Thompson CWO, are vilified and marginalized by the system for doing the right thing.

    And none of that has much to do with an analysis of the facts and evidence related to the events of 11 September.
     
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    That's what I'd like to know, don't you? I'm not evading anything, I'm not in charge of or have any standing to conduct a criminal investigation into 9/11. Why would you expect a poster to have information that a legitimate investigation should reveal? You agreed by default that the 9/11 Commission Report is illegitimate so as a result we need a legitimate criminal investigation into 9/11 that hopefully will reveal those answers. Don't you think or do you?
     
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    Just like you agreed by default that Lizard People run the US government and the UN.
     
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    It's obvious you are not capable of posting anything intelligent. There's nothing here for me to discuss with you Max. I'm not here to convince you of anything so enjoy your fairy tales, they are your speed.
     
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    No worries. In fact, I'm surprised such a perceptive genius such as yourself bothered to reply to lil' ol' me.
     
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    Why that tends to be more like a Tom Clancy novel that became a movie with James Earl Jones saying after showing ID that he wasn't there & the ordinance was fired......
     
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    Gotta love Hollywood! Movies like "Executive Action" and "JFK" keep the conspiracy theorists turgid and creaming their jeans.
     
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    Why else would there be so much national security collusion with lynching enforcement & churchstate propaganda while putting on a patriot act after 9/11, otherwise the too dang lily brilliant white second coming of Christianity would not have come to fruition......
     
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