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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nope, you must buy the old-fashioned paperback book.

    Of course you could just call me a liar.

    Or, you could accept it as true and accurate, and offer some rational analysis of what it all means.

    Or, you could just enter denial and stay there.
     
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    With 6 You Get Egg Roll ...

    Not giving a dime to shysters making a buck off 9/11 ...

    I don't think you are a liar ... I think you actually believe in your delusions ... and that''s sad ...

    now you sound like a Hare Krishna cadet ... what it all means? ... please define "what" as used in your context ...

    Or, you could enter reality and quit being swayed by con men ...
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Learn English Shinebox, and try to offer an adult and honest post. Thank you.
     
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  4. Bob0627

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    Too late you’ve been doing that since 9/11.

    Speaking of delusions you bought the OCT and still swear by it despite the massive amount of evidence that it’s clearly a scam.
     
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    As it is with so many super ego Christians in avoidance of acceptance, resorting to immaculate drug conceptions in liberal Islam totalitarianism, especially when it came to their second coming 9/11 conspiracy resulting in the same patriot act as this Christian Nation propaganda business has always kept it's pyramid scheme funded.
     
  6. Bob0627

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    The following is a series of 20 videos for the 9/11 researcher to watch in sequence. The entire series is over 5 hours long and I've only watched the first 3 videos so far. It is narrated by David Chandler who has written at least one paper on the subject in favor of a large airliner crash at the Pentagon on 9/11. The videos were not of his making, he is simply the narrator but I believe he endorses the findings in the videos. I will hold off my comments until after I've watched all the videos but please review these for yourself if you're interested.

    Explanation of the Evidence at the Pentagon on 9/11

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQDv-sbExGyUlhn_ir15tet5HAGM_eCBA
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    This statement speaks volumes.
     
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    different context but I'm not that naive to think that the government and their cronies have not been ripping me off in my 40+ years of paying taxes ... but I am not stupid or delusional enough to think that the government staged 9/11 as a pretext to start multiple wars ... your being peddled bullshit stories and misconceptions from the truth movement (which is gasping for that last gulp of air) ... you're being conned Bob ... but buy some more books or make some more donations to the con artists and anti-government stooges ...



    the only mass amount of evidence points to 4 planes being hijacked by fanatical Muslims and crashed into the buildings and an abandoned strip mine ... you have zero hard evidence that anything else happened ... you have no evidence that those were not the named flights, no evidence of controlled demolitions ... you basically have a bucketful of delusions and possibly some evidence of cover ups involving intelligence failures ... get a new hobby Bobby ...
     
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    Not sure if I've seen these get, but I will watch them ...

    edit: ... the video series that Bob just posted up ...
     
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    I've watched the preface and first 3 chapters ... very well presented and informative so far ...
     
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    I started watching no 1, and couldn't get past the part we all agree on, because I do not agree.

    These are obviously made for the typical citizen, with no knowledge of the situation, and will suck up anything.
     
  12. Bob0627

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    Well at least you’re not completely gullible.

    I don’t believe anyone is trying to convince you otherwise, certainly not I, it’s not my job or my agenda. What you believe or don’t is your personal issue. As explained numerous times I’m here to discuss 9/11 and share information and opinions with those who care about 9/11 and even those who don’t as long as the discussion remains adult, civil and hopefully intelligent.

    And the above and the rest of your post is neither adult or intelligent so that’s when there is no discussion to be had.

    That’s coming from someone who recognizes that he is being conned out of his money for the last 40 years but is totally blind to the massive amount of evidence conning him about 9/11. You are your own contradiction Shiner.

    And that’s why I posted it, to share information and to discuss that information but again only in an adult, civil and intelligent manner.
     
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    That’s really funny. WE all agree but you don’t. Are you having a grammar or logic issue here? Regardless what specifically are you talking about?

    Well feel free not to watch the rest Mr. Atypical Citizen who doesn’t suck up just anything but definitely sucked up the OCT.
     
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    The missuse of serial numbers. total BS.

    As pilot, ( Not current, but flew in the 80's) looked into an A&P rating, worked with an air-race team in the 70's, I have handled lots of airplane parts.
    The phony thing here is the misleading info, that all parts have a serial number that can be traced to a specific plane.

    All parts have a part number, they will also have a code for where it was made, and another for batch number.
    This way any defective part can be traced to the manufacturer.
    That specific part can go on any number of airplanes that use it.
    It will not identify the plane it was installed on.

    Just the fact they would say this, indicates, they don't know what is going on, or they are trying to convince people who know no better.
     
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    Except there is nothing in the video that constitutes a "missuse (sic) of serial numbers". At about 0:50 in the second video (Chapter 01), all that is said is that the "Serial numbers of the aircraft parts should have been released." I don't understand why that is "misuse" to you, it's something that is most logical and necessary in any airplane crash investigation, never mind one associated with 9/11. You have a penchant for defending the extreme over-classification of 9/11 because you want to remain as ignorant of as many facts as possible because you "trust" the US government not to lie to you. Anyone who really cares about 9/11 should want and demand as much transparency as possible not as little as possible. The good thing is you speak for no one but yourself. You are free to keep your head as deep in the sand as possible.

    Except there's none of that in the video, not to mention there's nothing phony about airplane parts identification.

    Except that all airplane crash investigations require parts identification per NTSB manual Appendix J. Furthermore, you are being contradicted by the NTSB guy at the Pentagon site (I posted the video) and an expert in such matters (Colonel George Nelson, USAF). I'll take the expertise of the NTSB manual, the NTSB itself and the Colonel over an anonymous die hard OCT groveler any time.

    Well you're convinced the OCT is fact, so much for not knowing what's going on and knowing no better.
     
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    Sorry, I looked at the presentation where it made the claims.

    It's easy to prove, Call up an aircraft repair, they are at all the airports.
    Ask to speak with an A&P.

    I know you will not do this, and if you actually do, you will not admit it.

    Right out of the gate, they made a false claim,
    Logic says they were told many times, since the video was made, but naturally did not recall it.

    There are some parts they can probably trace to a particular plane, but they are few. If they can track the paperwork.

    there are two numbers, the N- number on the tail and dashboard.
    and a riveted VIN tag.
    Newer ones might be stamped into a panel.


    BTW, These planes are built before they even have numbers.
     
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    Then point to the video and the time where you believe there was a false claim. The rest of your post is worthless because the facts, including the NTSB manual and the experts contradict you and you are a nobody with an opinion that means anything in relation to the aforementioned. Parts matches are done at all times with nearly all airplane crashes regardless of your opinion that only serves to defend your self imposed trust and desire that you should be kept in the dark about 9/11.

    About 3,000 years ago?
     
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    The presentation starts out with claims, second one, we all supposedly agree on.

    Oh another one that is phony is claims this person could not fly this plane.
    Sure, he could not takeoff, navigate, monitor functions, and land the plane.

    He didn't, All he did was steer an aircraft, that was already air born, in broad daylight.
    He was not concerned with oil temp/pressure, hydraulics, overspeed, engine temp, landing gear, etc.
    all the important functions a pilot needs to know.

    He was just steering an aircraft into a visible target, with no other concerns.
     
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    Show me where this manual claims these parts have serial numbers.
     
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    You're correct, some of us (you for example) disagree. You don't want or need to know anything by your claim that you "trust". I don't.

    If you believe it, it's ok with me. I don't and most experts don't buy that idiotic fairy tale made for children for one second. That's besides the fact that the US government has never provided one single shred of incontrovertible evidence that a novice pilot who couldn't fly a paper airplane could accomplish such a task.

    You claim you know but you're asking me, so much for that. I already told you, the protocol is detailed in Appendix J. It doesn't say the parts have serial numbers, it assumes by context that investigators are fully aware. The NTSB guy in the video didn't say they could identify the aircraft by the recovered part's serial number from thin air. He said it as a matter of fact. I understand though, you hope it's not true. I don't care, I don't need to try to convince you of anything, I certainly don't want to rock your worldview.
     
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    Since when is the government required to spell that out to you.
    Any pilot knows the guy made maneuvers the plane probably not recover from, stupid stuff.
    But he was not interested in recovery.

    Any pilot can also tell you, he did not, per say, "Fly", the aircraft.
    He steered it into a visible target.


    And several posts you claimed the parts had serial numbers,
    I know this because I have worked with planes, and have been around them, and pilots, for quite a few years.
    Now you're moving goalposts.

    You, on the other hand, don't know the first thing about it, and are believing whatever you are told, that fits your agenda,
    By any number of people with an axe to grind, a book to sell, or edited interviews.
     
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    What exactly are you trying to convince me about? I already told you, I'm not interested in your repetitive denial opinions. You have no standing to contradict expert pilots, the NTSB manual and the NTSB itself. That's not to mention simple common sense. Coming from someone who admits he's ok with the US government keeping him as uninformed as possible about 9/11, you don't have one iota of credibility. Like I said I don't mind an intelligent discussion but your opinion is just plain rabid denial of the facts and equally rabid defense of the OCT despite the facts.
     
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    I am up to chapter 8 in the Coste/Chandler vid series ... the preface sucked but every other chapter I have watched and read so far is very detailed and corroborated (almost too much) regarding the evidence of what happened at the Pentagon ... I say give it a go man ...

    edit #2: ... I'm actually at chapter 11 ... might be a difference if you watch the full vid or the chapters separately ...
     
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    You are not going to be convinced. You already made up your mind.
    You are proven wrong, but refuse to admit it.

    I told you where you can get the information,, and you keep referring to a manual you have not even read.

    1e.
    (5) Include the following information on the carrier's bill of lading under description of articles:
    (a) Make, model, and aircraft identification number.
    (b) Place and date of occurrence.
    (c) Part name and number.
     
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    It's hard to take it seriously when, right out of the gate, they ask you to already believe something that is totally false.
     
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