The Pentagon said it wouldn’t use depleted uranium rounds against ISIS.

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  1. Steady Pie

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    For instance, having a 200gr piece of lead punch through your chest, destroying your heart and lungs.

    Then polluting the river behind you when it exits the other side.
     
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    But the Goalkeeper is not a US system, so it does not apply. Back to the worm shooting bullets again.

    And in case you did not realize, lead (what makes up most bullets) is just as toxic as DU is. DU is not dangerous because it is radioactive in any way, but because it is a heavy metal. Lead bullets cause every bit as much problem, and every decommissioned rifle and pistol range is a Super Fund site because of the lead contamination in the ground and local standing water.
     
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    Lead doesn't have a tendency to turn to dust and harm poeople who breathe it in like DU does.

    So what you are saying is that the US can't use say the 5.56mm tracer ammo from a G-36 because the G-36 is a foreign system even though our rifles fire the exact same round?
     
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    Which only shows that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...g-EOvbTsVDMyTwdveBYFZg&bvm=bv.148073327,d.cGc

    This is something that personnel (like myself) who have run ranges are all to well aware of. I ran both rifle and pistol ranges, indoor and outdoor for years. And we were all well aware of the hazards. In fact one of our indoor ranges was shut down because of excessive lead in the ventilation system.
     
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    How many times were you required to run a range in MOPP 4 due to risk of lead in the air?
     
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    Actually, for lead you do not even need MOPP 4, it would do no good. Just a system to filter the air you breathe. And I have not used either on ranges where DU had been used.

    So not exactly sure where you are going with this. Our M1 tanks use DU as part of their armor, and the crews do not wear MOPP when operating them.

    So still not exactly sure where you are going with all of this, other than in circles.

    And while I have never been at a range that was shut down for to much lead (other than the butts became so clogged that they came in and cleared them out and laid fresh dirt in the impact area). But this was not done for anything to do with lead or the air quality, but because there were so many rounds in the impact zone that fresh rounds started to ricochet. We did this roughly every 2-4 years depending on use.

    When the indoor range accumulated so much lead residue that it was not safe, it was shut down. All use as a range ended and it became used for storage after that.
     
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    The DU in the armor of our tanks is sealed inside a composite of ceramics.
     
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    And water is wet.

    Your point is?
     
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    You're the one who brought up DU in Tank armor. If you knew already that the DU in Tank armor is sealed away and not exposed to the crew, then what was your point in bringing it up?

    Were you deliberately trying to deflect?
     
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    It is not sealed away to protect the crew. DU is even less hazardous than natural uranium that is found in nature.

    The ceramic is not used in any way to deal with dust, or any negligible radiation, it is done because the ceramic is a major part of the armor itself. Ceramic is used because it is highly efficient in spreading out the impact and absorbing the impact from projectiles that hit it. That is why we use it in our own body armor after all.

    As I said, water is wet. The fact that there is ceramic in the armor has not a thing to do with the presence of DU in the armor. We also have kevlar in our own body armor, even though we also have ceramic. Once again, because both are armor.

    We also use DU in other things without ceramic. Like boat keeps, shielding in medical cameras, even in inks and dentures. And at least one cosmetics company even uses it in cosmetics!
     

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