The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?

wgabrie · Aug 18, 2017

DennisTate said: ↑

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Dennis, why would they want to have radioactive implants???

DennisTate · Aug 26, 2017

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis, why would they want to have radioactive implants???
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Serious bucks up front I assume.... and then a plan that
greatly reduces the cost of health care for an aging population that appeals to a significant
percentage of young people........

Have I got a quotation for AA on this topic:

It took me years after I returned from my near-death experience to assimilate any words at all for the Void experience. I can tell you this now: the Void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The Void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is Absolute Consciousness; much more than even Universal Intelligence. The Void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it Zero point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the Universe than anything else!" (Mellen Benedict, near - death. com)
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That phrase....."chaos forming all possibilities" has huge implications.
http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

DennisTate · Oct 6, 2017

Here is an exceptionally good webpage that explains some research that relates to the idea of Multiverse.

http://astralcity.org/issue/95

Between 1983 and 1985, Wambach worked with Dr. Chet Snow who, after her death, published Mass Dreams of the Future,57 which contained the results of many future-life progressions performed in the 80's. In an interview published in the Rainbow Ark magazine,58 Snow said the massive changes in the Earth would take place. The hypnotic subjects had foreseen changes in 1996, 1998/99, and then in the years 2002, 2007 and 2012. There were some fleeting images of an Arab-Israeli war in 1996 but no details. Snow said, "With regard to atomic weapons, there will be one more atomic explosion before the end of the atomic era. This explosion will be so terrible and will shock humanity so badly that no one will dare to use that weapon again."59 Later, Snow described how a portion of California would slip into the sea in 1998. "The dates could change," Chet said in his book. "The left-brain linear time-dating system is the most difficult aspect of right-brain psychic predictions. However it should not be incorrect by more than a few decades."60

In an interview in the Leading Edge Newspaper, Dr. Snow suggests that the future is not set in stone, and that the mind can somehow alter the timeline:

I believe, by changing our present behavior, we can change our future. We can go back in time, through past-life regression, and heal relationships in the past, and our present will then change because our vibration is no longer the same. As you think, so you are. The mind is the builder. I encourage my clients to work now, in the present, on the pathways they are forming which will build their future. People ask, "Where do I go? Where are the safe lands?" I say to them, "At least get away from water." Let synchronicities guide you. You will be drawn to a place of safety for you. The new energy on the planet is about service, but not in a servile way. Be each other's servant, each giving your best and receiving the best from others. 61

Dr. Snow describes two different regions of time on which he focussed: 2100 to 2200 AD and 2300 to 2400 AD.62 At these times, the population is only about two billion, and there seems to be four different societies. Twenty-five percent of the test group whom he progressed into the future found themselves either living on a space station orbiting Earth or on another planet. Their society was high tech and had contact with friendly extraterrestrials. Thirty-percent of the group lived on Earth in a high tech society with machines, and they lived in domes or underground. They wore jumpsuits and did not seem happy. Eighteen percent of the group were vegetarians, wore lose, flowing robes, and lived happily in harmony with nature. Twenty percent of the group lived in small rustic towns resembling villages of the 19th century. They wore jeans, boots, and tunics, raising farm animals and eating meat. A small percentage of the experimental group reported living in the ruins of major cities like New York and existing in a primitive fashion. In 1999, some progressees predicted that Soviets would take over parts of eastern Europe.
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DennisTate · Jan 13, 2018

Here is another angle on this idea.....

Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D:

I'm not sure about the infinite parallel universes theory. If what we experience around us in our immediate environment is a manifestation of our consciousness at every moment, then it would seem that any “Universe of All the Is” is also a manifestation of consciousness of some sort. The question here is whether the Universe of All that Is is a manifestation of an infinite number of individual consciousnesses or a manifestation of some kind of Universal Consciousness.

Jane Roberts, with her channelled Seth Books, brought up this topic in the 60s and 70s and at the time a lot of physicists were interested in what she had to say on the topic. But if I remember rightly, she also was talking about "possible" and "probable universes," not definite, "existing now" universes.

The problem with the theory of parallel universes hinges on the whole matter of the relation of consciousness to "manifested universe." Let's say I make a certain "decision A." That decision changes the way I perceive the universe around me and in a sense creates another universe which accommodates that decision. But if the manifest universe depends on my perception, then the "decision A" I made, which brought about the changed universe, also negated the universe I was about to create if I had made "decision B" instead. I have activated one of many "probable universes" by my decision, but have deactivated another 'probable universe" just because of the fact that I chose not to perceive the universe which a different decision would have brought into manifestation. I choose to use the word "manifested" rather than "created" because nothing is created or destroyed as a different universe is manifested. The manifested universe merely changes. If you look at the problem in this way, then there are potentially or "probably" an infinite number of universes at any moment, but not all of them are actualized.

Of course, at any given moment there are an infinite number of possible decisions by an infinite number of entities, and thus it would seem that there are potentially an infinite number of universes. But remember that each time one decision is made, an infinite number of possible decisions are also NOT made, so that those possible universes are not manifested.

This operates only on the level of finite consciousness. One of the problems with this idea of infinite numbers of universes dependent on finite consciousness lies in the possiblility that there is an “Infinite Consciousness,” otherwise known as “God/Goddess,” which also operates within the universe. Once this possible Infinite Consciousness enters the picture, we are presented with another possible result.

We can measure something of this effect if we remove every sub-atomic particle from a given space so that we have absolute vacuum. We are left with supposed “empty space.” But “Empty Space” is not empty. I is “filled with” the Zero Point Field or Zero Point Energy, or even (and this is where it becomes interesting) Zero Point Consciousness.

If there is such an Infinite Consciousness operating within the infinite Zero Point State, whatever seems to give the universe as we perceive it some kind of unity seems to come from this Infinite Zero Point State Consciousness, since all sub-atomic particles seem to emerge from and return to this Zero Point State, and the Consciousness within the Zero Point State somehow determines how and where the sub-atomic and atomic structures which we perceive as reality, emerge from the “Vacuum.” I would suggest that it is here that we can see some kind of Divine process. This is why I like to call “God” the “Consciousness of the Universe.” In the same way as my individual consciousness gives structure to my perceived world, so too does the Universal Consciousness of the Universe give order to the manifest universe. And it is here that the idea of Logos, Holy Spirit, Parabrahm, Mulaprakriti enters, because the Zero Point State Consciousness can be seen as the Divine Consciousness which gives order to the emerging manifest universe, and the energy, power, “personality” (as in Love, Joy, Peace) is the feminine aspect of Logos, Holy Spirit which provides the “material basis” or experience." (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D.)
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DennisTate · Apr 10, 2018

mihapiha said: ↑

I wonder what someone like you would say about the hand-full of "interdenominational reports" you can find on some conspiracy sites.

You seem so taken by these ideas. Unfortunately I am not a physicist to address these types of issues. All I know comes from maybe a couple of documentaries around string theory, which I'm not even sure covers any of this. But I do recall them explaining that they concluded years ago that with string theory there have to be 11 or 12 dimensions and only gravity is the constant in all of them. But it's been years since I've seen that documentary and I might have even gotten this wrong.

I think one needs at least a master's in theoretical physicist to somehow productively discuss this issue though. I have only one friend who's got a PhD in theoretical physics, but I haven't seen him in years. And I doubt when I see him, I'll think of asking him about these complex issues... I feel listening to him explain might create a blank stare on my face... I'm a layman in that respect after all...
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Or.... if one does not have a Master's in Theoretical Physics........
perhaps the soul of a poet may suffice?

Time Like A Rose
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/time-like-a-rose.530022/

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What if the time was not linear
Nor cyclical
Nor dialectical
But shaped like a rose
composed of delicate tender tapestries
spiraling between center and far away
consisting of arduously woven passion
enfolding the seed of life
flush with tenderness and blushing with beauty
reaching out to the world
as life's most resplendent embodiment
and its link to the times to come?

what if the time was a rose
made of einsteinian frames
all petals of rose
a cool fragrant tapestry quilted of finest silk
exquisite
delicate
soft
flush with tenderness and blushing with beauty
through multidimensional craftsmanship
bringing the substance of life
into myriad twists and turns
and caressing the wind
as she nourishes the embodied center
and becomes the embodiment of the sublime
spiraling between the immediate and the eternal?

In the interconnectivity
In the interrelativity
In the intersubjectivity
In the interrationality
In the interemotionality
In the interspirituality

the petal of rose will expound

nourishing
flourishing
burnishing all with fragrance and inspiration

seeking the good of the next and the good of the seed
and the good of the whole
and her greatest excellence

and the universe will bloom through her

spiraling from the center and into the air

and between the seed and the frame
with invisible filaments
to weave the infinite through the incorporeal
and alight and aliven them both in sublimity

making the past and the future the present
and two poles a continuity

that the souls move back and forward through time
at the speed of infinity

on the petal of rose

and in her are made eternal and incorporeal

where timeless and time attain one another
through invisible filaments
and become life transcendent

as she maps

her infinite tenderness
and her arduous excellence
and her ethereal delicacy

in every time-shattering moment
of timed eternity
that is her essence and inspiration

upon the valves
of
my
heart.
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DennisTate · Apr 11, 2018

I have got to listen to this soon.....

Is Time Travel Possible? Back to the Future Part Jew [Interview with "George McFly"]

DennisTate · Apr 11, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis, why would they want to have radioactive implants???
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Good question.........
I assume that these implants were a condition.......
to also be given genetic remedies for many diseases such as cancer.......

I am kind of in awe here.....
at the 37 minute in this video Rabbi Pinchas Taylor does an awesome job of explaining the fifth dimension.....

Wow!!!!!

DennisTate · Apr 23, 2018

A great reply on this idea from another forum:

Kaon:
Your friend is talking about quantum chromodynamics - it is something I am familiar with, but that isn't my specialty.

However, I am familiar with scalar fields, and the probability of observing elementary particles such as quarks and neutrinos. Generally, every single one of the particles that exists can, and do exist anywhere in space at any given instant. The spiel is that one must make observations to "ground" a particle, or collection of particles (mass/energy). That includes spacial dimensions.

His explanation of the dynamics of the elementary particles, and the comparison to multiverse theory may be better received if we replace "multiverse" with "multi/inter"dimensional. Then, we can begin to address the issues in QM - like bilocation, remote fields/non-locality, and scalar vacuum energies of elementary particles. We observe inter-dimensional action of particles, but usually call it something else.

I think I am missing how this connects to Ezekiel 37, though.
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DennisTate · Aug 13, 2018

I have asked myself many times..... how many more Canadians soldiers would have died in WWI and WWII if America had delayed their entrance into each of those wars by only six months?

We Canadians who think about things like The Philosophical Implications of Multiverse Theory can think that we may well be alive due to America coming to our assistance in both of those wars. We were in there first due to our closer ties with Great Britain........ but as the death toll of Canadians begins to mount............ then American political leaders have something to work with to get their nation mobilized for war.

https://www.facebook.com/USPoliceNe...316294247399/2131634673782226/?type=3&theater

DennisTate · Oct 9, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis, why would they want to have radioactive implants???
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Perhaps they would agree to this because of being promised astonishingly high intelligence and great physical strength...... until the time when the state clicks the switch to kill them quickly.

You may find this idea intriguing:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-party-for-2018.526101/page-4#post-1069723268

DennisTate · Oct 15, 2018

I have got to read all of this as soon as possible.....

https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/what-is-and-isnt-scientific-about-the-multiverse-507aea967db0

What Is (And Isn’t) Scientific About The Multiverse

Gelecski7238 · Oct 23, 2018

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Helen Wambach Ph. D. began a study back around 1965
that she felt could disprove the belief in reincarnation.

Her research backfired on her and she came to belief in
reincarnation firmly.

She and Dr. Chet Snow really got into something strange when they
progressed over 700 volunteers into what they perceived as the future.

From her data she felt that before the year 2300 there would be about a
ninety to ninety five percent depopulation of the world....
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Rudolph Steiner around 1920 offered an explanation of future depopulation based on his understandings of Anthroposophy and Theosophy: Humans are in the middle of, and subject to the opposing pulls of Ahrimanic and Luciferic influences, and the latter will prevail as the greater influence from the Eastern spiritual/idealistic/cosmic outlook, causing people to prefer not to reincarnate.

Ahrimanic influence is materialistic, physical, earthy, "demonic." "Luciferic" does not relate to the biblical/religious stigma of satanic/evil.

DennisTate · Oct 23, 2018

Gelecski7238 said: ↑

Rudolph Steiner around 1920 offered an explanation of future depopulation based on his understandings of Anthroposophy and Theosophy: Humans are in the middle of, and subject to the opposing pulls of Ahrimanic and Luciferic influences, and the latter will prevail as the greater influence from the Eastern spiritual/idealistic/cosmic outlook, causing people to prefer not to reincarnate.

Ahrimanic influence is materialistic, physical, earthy, "demonic." "Luciferic" does not relate to the biblical/religious stigma of satanic/evil.
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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that is amazing!!!!!!

An eleven year old near death experiencer had "hell" explained to him as being a complete unwillingness to progress to the next level upward toward light / truth / love ............... "Luciferic" fallen angels, Aliens, Hungry Ghosts and people would tend to be stuck on the need to again fulfill the vision that are in their heads about the really nasty fulfillment of events that already took place.............

But.... G-d and the two third of the angels who did not rebel against G-d.......
want to take humanity up into a fantastic future..... where the vast majority of the
disasters of other time lines are avoided............

Now that you have mentioned him I had to look Rudolf Steiner up.......

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner

After shortened studies at the Technische Hochschule in Vienna (Technical University training engineer), he worked at the Goethe und Schiller-Archiv Weimar (Goethe and Schiller Archives) as responsible for publishing scientific works of Goethe 6 . He was then editor of the Magazin für Literatur in Berlin. Became a member of the Theosophical Society and Secretary General of the German section in 1902 , he separated ten years later to found the Anthroposophic Society 7which will be his framework for the last 15 years of his life. During the last fifteen years, the center of its activity will be located in Dornach, near Basel in Switzerland.
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https://www.near-death.com/experiences/children.html#a03

......
I asked, "What is hell?"

He said, "Turn and look again."

I saw an old woman in a rocking chair determined to sit and rock and worry about children and grandchildren and everything else. Hell is therefore a lack of wisdom and not moving on, choosing not to go any further, sitting there and doing nothing. Hell is not a place.

I asked if there was a Devil or Satan.

He said to me, "Would God allow that?" He continued, "If I made you God for just a few seconds, what would you do first?"

I knew my first act would be to eliminate any Devil or Satan. I asked, "How do I know right from wrong?"

He replied, "Right is helping and being kind. Wrong is not only hurting someone but not helping when you can."

We walked as I asked about the universe and reasons for everything. All of these things were shown to me. Then he wondered if I still wanted to return to the physical world.

"I do want to return."

He asked, "Why?"

I said I would help my mother whom my father had left with four children and one on the way. God kind of chuckled and asked me for the real reason. I said I would leave the Earth a little better than I found it.

Then you may return with some of the knowledge of the things you have learned, but the rest will be veiled for a time. Live in such a way that you will not be going back when you return here again.

I woke up face down in the mud of the river bottom and was 'lifted' to the top. I threw up great amounts of water, then pulled myself out of the river only to discover my brother had died.
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The mass depopulation of the earth that Helen Wambach Ph. D. found in her study of progressions into the future.....DOES NOT HAVE TO BE REPEATED!
http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

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In Life Before Life Dr. Wambach described the results of hypnotizing another 750 people and taking them to the time between their past and current lives. One of her most controversial findings was that people have some choice in their current lives and that the disembodied consciousness or soul does not enter the body until near birth. "The soul usually enters the body near birth, and has a choice of which fetus to enter. If one fetus is aborted, it is possible to choose another. In some cases, the soul who will occupy the fetus, is in contact with the soul of the mother, and can influence her decision regarding abortion."

Dr. Wambach found that 89% of those hypnotized said they did not become part of the fetus until after six months of gestation. A large group said they did not join the fetus, or experience inside it, until just before or during the birth process. They existed fully conscious as an entity apart from the fetus and even after six months many reported being 'in' and 'out' of the fetal body. "Many subjects reported that the onrush of physical sensations on emerging from the birth canal was disturbing and very unpleasant. Apparently the soul exists in a quite different environment in the between-life state. The physical senses bring so much vivid input that the soul feels almost 'drowned' in light, cold air, sounds. Surprising to me was the frequent report that the new-born infant feels cut off, diminished, alone compared to the between-life state. To be alive in a body is to be alone and unconnected. Perhaps we are alive to learn to break through the screen of the senses, to experience while in a body the transcendent self we truly are."

Dr. Wambach found that a certain number of people she hypnotized actually saw into future lives. What they saw concerned her--a devastated and depopulated world. So in the early 1980s, Dr. Wambach decided again to apply systematic methods. She did a huge study that involved over 2,500 people undergoing hypnotic future life progression.

The future life progressions were conducted over a number of years and several groups were involved in the study. Wambach offered the participants a choice of five time periods (three in the past and two in the future) with instructions that their subconscious minds would choose one of the periods. Of the 2,500 people in the study, six percent reported being alive in 2100 AD, and 13 percent said they were alive in the 2300 AD period. Only a handful of the subjects progressed to the future. (My guess that hypnotic progression into the future is just a lot harder than into the past! C.M.)

There was evidence, she believed, that there was a decline of up to 95 percent of the population within a few generations. Concerned, Wambach asked one of her students to progress to a specific date in the late 1990s but had to bring the woman out of hypnotic trance rapidly after the woman found herself "choking to death on a big, black cloud". Wambach found predictions for the last years of the century to include severe earthquakes, a new US currency, severe weather patterns, financial crises, bank failures, an increase in volcanic activity and the decimation of a large number of people. In 1999, there would be an isolated incident in which a nuclear explosion in Europe kills many people.

Wambach was working with Dr. Chet Snow who, after her death, published Mass Dreams of the Future. It contains the results of many such in depth future life progressions, presented in perhaps a more sensationalistic way than Dr. Wambach would have presented it. On the internet, Wambach today is most quoted by those interested in these future lives than in past lives.
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Now these admonition makes more sense to me.........
under those circumstances at that time in history..... the execution of people with a familiar spirit was
just about the only option that they had......... but in our time period.... we can explain this whole phenomena.......

Leviticus 20:27

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
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Isaiah 8:19 ¶And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Joshua 13:22

Balaam also the son of Beor, the soothsayer, did the children of Israel slay with the sword among them that were slain by them."
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Isaiah 19:3

And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiarspirits, and to the wizards.
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Even what was shown to several near death experiencers about events in the future.......
they all stated that by making better choices...... we can bring in a better future.......

https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03

3. The future is not fixed and can change

During Karen Schaeffer's NDE, she was shown her children's future as it would exist if she decided to remain in the light. Because she decided to return, the future she was shown did not happen. This suggests that the future is always changing from moment to moment based upon our current actions and decisions. This principle supports quantum mechanic principles.

One of Margot Grey's NDE research subjects stated:

"During my experience ... I was also shown events that are likely to happen in the near future, but was made to understand that nothing is absolutely fixed and that everything depends on how we choose to use our own free will, that even those events that are already predestined can be changed or modified by a change in our own way of relating to them." (Grey, 1985, p. 123)

NDE experiencer Howard Storm was given information on how the future is not fixed:

"We have free will. If we change the way we are, then we can change the future which they showed me. They showed me a view of the future, at the time of my experience, based upon how we in the United States were behaving at that time. It was a future in which a massive worldwide depression would occur. If we were to change our behavior, however, then the future would be different." (Howard Storm)

Howard Storm was also told how a single person can change the world:

"All it takes to make a change was one person. One person, trying, and then because of that, another person changing for the better. They said that the only way to change the world was to begin with one person. One will become two, which will become three, and so on. That's the only way to affect a major change" (Howard Storm)

During Ricky Randolph's NDE, he was told virtually the same thing:

"You must return and help others to change by changing your life!" (Ricky Randolph)

Dannion Brinkley was told how the future is conditional upon human beings:

"If you follow what you have been taught and keep living the same way you have lived the last thirty years, all of this will surely be upon you. If you change, you can avoid the coming war. If you follow this dogma, the world by the year 2004 will not be the same one you now know. But it can still be changed and you can help change it." (Dannion Brinkley)
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DennisTate · Oct 23, 2018

wgabrie said: ↑

Dennis, why would they want to have radioactive implants???
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I just ran into a better explanation for this than I knew before........
the state may soon offer very, very, very long life plus good health.... to special people.....

https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

After dying, going through my near-death experience and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it.

As it is now, we have already been alive forever. This body, that you are in, has been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and beyond. This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy. This body has been alive forever already.
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kazenatsu · Oct 24, 2018

DennisTate said: ↑

The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?
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Keep in mind Multiverse Theory is only one philosophical interpretation of what is being observed, there are others.

(I think it would be a mistake to only focus on the philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory, therefore, since Multiverse Theory is itself a philosophical interpretation, one of several different possible ones)

DennisTate · Oct 24, 2018

kazenatsu said: ↑

Keep in mind Multiverse Theory is only one philosophical interpretation of what is being observed, there are others.

(I think it would be a mistake to only focus on the philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory, therefore, since Multiverse Theory is itself a philosophical interpretation, one of several different possible ones)
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Good point..... I go so far as to link the idea with multiple fulfillments of Ezekiel chapter 37......
which I am sure would really annoy some of the Theoretical Physicists who are working on the mathematics for this.

Here is one of my attempt to promote this interpretation to Latter day Saints and others who correspond with Mormons on discussion forums:

https://thirdhour.org/forums/topic/...ith-ezekiel-37-and-the-white-throne-judgment/
Does Multiverse Theory fit with Ezekiel 37 and the White Throne Judgment?

I just noticed this video:

Bill Nye: Is the Multiverse Theory Paradoxical, or Can We Test It?

I should try to see this later on as well......

Fine tuning, dark energy, and multiverse theory

DennisTate · Oct 28, 2018

I got back an exceptionally insightful comment on this topic elsewhere:

Kaon said:

Humans, including scientists (of whom I know, and know of) mistake dimension and "universe". They are not the same at all. When we play with drugs, mess with the occult, or (begin to) die, we experience higher dimensional planes. I could explain the physical reason why this is the case, and consequently, why there is ONE universe, and multiple aeons/dimensions. Perhaps in a private message.

Since most humans do not even know what is in front of their face (spiritually), you can see why the Most High God told us to stay away from it all.

The multiverse is a romanticism of the dimensions we already knew existed - until certain paradigm shifts forced us to forget what we knew, and accept what we were told. Remember, there was a time when you were a dullard if you didn't believe in gods and monsters; the Enlightenment made superstitions of very real things. There is no multiverse; the very etymology of the word "universe" means "to combine into one". There are plenty of dimensions; we just "operate" in about five of the dimensions (spacial; time is a pseudo-dimension).

What string theory does is coalesce what we already knew in the Ancient world with post-enlightenment philosophy. But, most people who use the word "multiverse" do not understand what they are talking about - especially in the context of string theory.
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Starjet · Oct 29, 2018

Silly. No such thing as many universes. Just as there no such thing as square circles, though circles can be sqaured.

DennisTate · Oct 29, 2018

Starjet said: ↑

Silly. No such thing as many universes. Just as there no such thing as square circles, though circles can be sqaured.
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Technically......... you may be onto something in terms of semantics.........
but I don't know of any other word that could be used to describe the idea of.........
the earth along with all humans on it....... in 1891 or 1939 being replicated.........
exactly as they were in a moment in time in those two years but.............

from the moment of the replication of those moments in time.......
and of all the people, animals, trees, fish, and plants on the earth in that moment in time......

... an increased level of the love / light / truth of G-d.... the Ruach ha Kodesh / The Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh........ and many disasters and injustices that occurred in the first time line.......

that had a lower level of the Holy Spirit poured out.........
will be avoided in the new time line!

I threw the idea of non-linear time = Ezekiel 37 at Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander back in 2010........ but I had been thinking about it since 1990 or 1991.....

http://tate4centralnova.yuku.com/topic/383/My-correspondence-with-Rabbi#.WNuNN1KZOV4

Starjet · Oct 30, 2018

DennisTate said: ↑

Technically......... you may be onto something in terms of semantics.........
but I don't know of any other word that could be used to describe the idea of.........
the earth along with all humans on it....... in 1891 or 1939 being replicated.........
exactly as they were in a moment in time in those two years but.............

from the moment of the replication of those moments in time.......
and of all the people, animals, trees, fish, and plants on the earth in that moment in time......

... an increased level of the love / light / truth of G-d.... the Ruach ha Kodesh / The Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh........ and many disasters and injustices that occurred in the first time line.......

that had a lower level of the Holy Spirit poured out.........
will be avoided in the new time line!

I threw the idea of non-linear time = Ezekiel 37 at Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander back in 2010........ but I had been thinking about it since 1990 or 1991.....

http://tate4centralnova.yuku.com/topic/383/My-correspondence-with-Rabbi#.WNuNN1KZOV4
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The universe is the universe. Anything else is a mind game whose purpose is to destroy, reality, reason, logic, and the laws of identity and causality.

DennisTate · Jun 27, 2019

I just got back some amazing feedback on this basic idea:

Aryeh B. said: ↑

I read about it just now that it was confirmed experimentally. I can make a mess of something, but I understood it this way: two independent observers can get opposite values for the same quantum particle.

That is, if the life or death of Schrodinger's cat depends on the value of the measured quantum function of this particle, Wigner can detect this cat dead after the detector triggers, which will break the vial of cyanide. And his Wigner's friend, who is not associated with Wigner and independently measured the same particle, may have a different measurement result, and when he comes to look at the cat, this cat will turn out to be alive. Physicists try to explain this paradox in different ways, for example, by the existence of parallel universes, but I want to give another example.

One group of observers connected with Jesus Christ came to the cave and Jesus called Lazarus from the cave - and Lazarus came out to them. And shortly before that, another group of independent observers saw the same Lazarus dead. It seems to me that in this case we are dealing precisely with this physical phenomenon of the "Wigner's friend" effect.
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Aryeh B. said: ↑

Another story is not related to Wiener's friend.

When I worked at the factory in the 90s, we had little work, I worked on CNC machines, machines worked automatically, for almost the whole day I could read the Bible, pray in tongues or sing psalms. I pondered a lot on Scripture during working hours.

Workers who worked on neighboring machines for whole days played backgammon at the table. I kept apart from them. But sometimes I wanted to bless and I approached them, mentally praying for them. And so, they began to notice the supernatural. When I approached them, sometimes they had absolutely incredible sequences of dice falling out. No, they were not interested in the Gospel, but they began to consider me a sorcerer.

When I read the Bible all day long and pondered what I read, sometimes strange things started to happen. One day I was thinking about the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, which the Lord gave to the apostle Peter. I thought about the keys for a day or two, and then walked over to the machine, which was operated by another worker, and saw that he was making a duplicate key for his apartment. I walked a few more meters and walked over to a large milling machining center. The worker who serviced this machine, also made some own keys for the door lock. I was surprised by this coincidence.

But then I met in my workshop a third worker, who also made keys for himself ... The matter ended with the fact that in the second half of the day the master came running to me and ordered me to make a lot of six-sided socket keys that are included in the set of wheelchairs that our factory produced.The matter ended with the fact that in the second half of the day the master came running to me and told me to make a lot of six-sided keys that were included in the set of wheelchairs that our factory produced.

The word "keys", which I pronounced in my brain, was transmitted to the people around me: they suddenly remembered that they needed some keys.

Thus, there is a mutual induction between our thoughts, but we can understand everything in different ways.
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And there is another question in the theory of sin and salvation that I pondered.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth - this is the law that establishes equal retribution for damage caused to another person. How could Jesus Christ alone compensate for the enormous damage that many sinners caused to other people?

I thought that this could be likened to the contribution of the founder of the new bank. Let him invest only $ 100 in his bank, but if other investors trust in this bank, and each of them will make some kind of contribution, who is 10, who is 50, and who is $ 100, then after 2 thousand years this bank can become the richest bank that the whole world can buy. It is only important that the depositors and the board of the bank do not squander the invested funds, but multiply the capital. How to multiply?

When they hit you on one cheek, turn the other one over. Do not demand from your abuser a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye, but farewell. Thus, the “bank” of Jesus Christ today has a capital of tens of millions of martyrs who have given their teeth, eyes, their bodies, property stolen from them, to God.

Maybe we want to use this capital today, as some preachers of prosperity offer us. We have this technical opportunity, but we should not do this until the end of God's judgment.

Jesus could resurrect Lazarus, and the disciples saw the dead Moses beside Jesus Christ. The magical effect of "Wigner's friend" performed miracles in the presence of Jesus, but sometimes even the strength of Jesus was not enough against unbelief. Jesus could not perform miracles in some synagogues. He drove outsiders from the room when he resurrected the girl.

Therefore, today we will not overcome the unbelief of those who do not want to believe. This is a waste of energy. All the same they will say: you are sorcerers, and then, perhaps, they themselves will want to do wonders for their earthly prosperity. The kingdom of heaven is not in these wonders.

We should pay attention not to unbelievers, but to ourselves. Because as long as we do not have unity, we cannot be an institution for resurrection, as an one "friend of Wigner." We will have to reach 1335 days, the final of the Judgment, and only when the city of Yahweh Shammah is, can we raise the dead as the Lord God wants.
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Aryeh B. · Jun 27, 2019

The state of the observer's perception is considered to be entangled with the state of the cat. The perception state "I perceive a live cat" accompanies the "live-cat" state and the perception state "I perceive a dead cat" accompanies the "dead-cat" state. ... It is then assumed that a perceiving being always finds his/her perception state to be in one of these two; accordingly, the cat is, in the perceived world, either alive or dead. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner's_friend
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One observer sees the cat (or person) alive, and the other - dead:

And it shall come Isaiah to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

(Isaiah 66: 23,24)

You do not think that there will be a crowd of the dead somewhere? But living people coming out of the Temple will see others as dead.

DennisTate · Jun 27, 2019

Aryeh B. said: ↑

One observer sees the cat (or person) alive, and the other - dead:

And it shall come Isaiah to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

(Isaiah 66: 23,24)

You do not think that there will be a crowd of the dead somewhere? But living people coming out of the Temple will see others as dead.
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And to at least some degree this could perhaps fit with what former Skeptic and near death experiencer Howard Storm reported:

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/howard-storm.html

Before his near-death experience, Howard Storm atwww.howardstorm.com was a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man by his own admission. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn’t find joy in anything. Anything that wasn’t seen, touched or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else. But then on June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm’s had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was since forever changed. His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience, he resigned as a professor and devoted his time attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister. Today, Howard Storm is presently happily married to his wife Marcia and was Pastor of the Covington United Church of Christ in Covington, Ohio. During his past time he has maintained his passion for painting but now, unlike in his past, he paints with a God state of mind which raises his paintings to a whole other level. On this website Pastor Storm shares a unique look at his paintings and the effect Jesus Christ has on his daily life and on his paintings. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience reprinted by permission.
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DennisTate · Aug 20, 2019

kazenatsu said: ↑

Keep in mind Multiverse Theory is only one philosophical interpretation of what is being observed, there are others.

(I think it would be a mistake to only focus on the philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory, therefore, since Multiverse Theory is itself a philosophical interpretation, one of several different possible ones)
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... but it is one of my favourite.......
and you have to admit that the idea of Mitt Romney perhaps having won the election back in 2012........
does put a whole new spin on the Latter day Saint prediction of a White Horse President!

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