The Political Cow-towing to Israel

I think "Dark Eagles" was written by an expert on various black aviation programs as that was the general theme of the book.

 

Provide evidence that the quotes I cited & documented are false.

Is this unbiased enough for you:

"Bipartisan bill in Congress would ensure Israel’s qualitative military edge"
https://www.jta.org/2017/06/12/poli...ould-ensure-israels-qualitative-military-edge


I bet you'll love this one even better:

"Proposed Bill Would Require U.S. to Consult Israel Before Selling Arms in Mideast"
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.pr...rael-before-selling-arms-in-mideast-1.5482398

 

A couple of proposed bills prove nothing.

And I don't have to prove something false because in debate, one is never obligated to prove a negative. You made the claims. You are obligated to prove they are true.

 

Not surprisingly, bills guaranteeing Israel's QME became law and the reality of American taxpayers' having to fund Israel's QME is common knowledge to most people.

I already provided credible sources for the quotes I cited. It's up to you to prove that they're false quotes.

"U.S. passes legislation to ensure Israel has military edge "
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Specia...st-have-military-edge-US-says/96991386858860/

 

It is a long history. There is Christian AntiSemitism and Liberal AntiSemitism.

Leftist AntiSemitism started when Leon Trotsky was defeated by Joseph Stalin. Nevertheless, Joseph Stalin's role in WWII redeems him -- he lead USSR in war against Nazis.

 

I wish someone would point out to you that when you get sodomized by someone - and a witness points out that the person who did the dirty deed happened to be Jewish - this is not hatred of Jews or anti - semitism.

 

Are you still trotting out that same, tired old yarn about the one time Israel may have done something for America?

Other than your opinion, what evidence do you have that this gesture saved "HUNDREDS" of American lives?

Considering the fact that Israel has cost America $ Trillions of dollars, those old, junk MiGs have been the most expensive planes ever.


“The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel, $3Trillion”
https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/

EXCERPT” While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.”CONTINUED

 

It wasn't my opinion. I didn't even know about it until reading the book. And you still trot out the patently false claim that each of those wars the U.S. has fought in the Middle East would not have been fought without the influence of Israel.

You do know one would hope for example that President George H.W. Bush had close ties to Kuwait decades before the 1991 Gulf War. One of the first off shore oil wells drilled in Kuwait was by Bush's company.

 

The Iraq War was not about oil as wars are detrimental to oil company profits & infrastructure.
It was fought because Israeli lobbies pushed for war with Iraq then just as they're pushing for war with Iran, now.

"Israel is pushing the US into war against Iran"
http://between-the-lines-ludwig-wat...03/israel-is-pushing-us-into-war-against.html

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Leads US President Trump to War with Iran"
https://www.unz.com/jpetras/israeli...hu-leads-us-president-trump-to-war-with-iran/

"America Cannot Go to War for Israel"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ahmed-moor/america-cannot-go-to-war-_b_682467.html

"Lobbyist Says Israel Should Create A 'False Flag' To Start A War With Iran"
https://www.businessinsider.com/top...-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-9

"Netanyahu Is Meeting Trump To Push For War With Iran"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/netanyahu-trump-war-with-iran_us_59bfc6e6e4b086432b089840

"Neocon Pundit: The Israel Lobby Wants War With Iran"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/neocon-pundit-the-israel-lobby-wants-war-with-iran

"Netanyahu & the Lobby Cowboy Up For War With Iran"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/netanyahu-the-lobby-cowbo_b_3611038.html




Other than the near ancient Barbary Pirates affair, how many wars did the US fight against Islamic countries before the creation of Israel by Colonial Powers?

Ever since the ZOA, AIPAC etc assumed control of America's foreign policy, the US has sacrificed thousands of lives ensuring Israel's security


“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”– John Sheehan, Society of Jesus. (Jesuit priest)

 

No. Power control.

 

How did the two U.S. wars against Iraq "ensure Israel's security". After Israel destroyed the nuclear complex at Osiriak, Iraq was no threat to Israel.

For that matter Operation Desert Storm actually CAUSED Iraq to launch Scud missiles into Israel.

 

You're right in that Iraq was no genuine threat to Israel but the Israelis deliberately fed the US false intel. about Saddam (another Hitler at the time) and his fictitious arsenal of WMDs anyway because Iraq was an impediment to Israel's Oded Yinon Plan ("aka "Greater Israel") for regional hegemony.

The right wing Israeli war mongers behind Oded Yinon were apparently willing to absorb a few infamously inaccurate Scud missiles if it meant getting the US to take out Saddam, neutralize Iraq & help balkanize the Islamic world.

 

Wrong again.

I mentioned the Barbary Pirates of N. Africa in my post #84.

If you're going to lower yourself to slanderous gossip, at least get your facts straight.

 

Then your post was fundamentally dishonest since you attribute U.S. wars in the Middle East to the formation and influence of Israel. Ignoring the fact that the U.S. seldom fought wars overseas for ANY reason until after World War Two.

 

I didn't read the whole thing. I will just say that we shouldn't provide foreign aid to Israel or any other country. We have allied ourselves with Israel because it is the only democracy in the region to say nothing of the millions of Jews that live in the U.S. and support Israel.

 

Why does the U.S. give money to and pledged to provide military support to Europe, South Korea, Taiwan and Saudi Arabia? It is called 'Geopolitics' my friend! Please explain to s hy the U.S. shouldn't support the only democracy in the Middle East! It is a fact that anti-semitism is ramping up on college campuses in the U.S. as well as around the world around the world. Personally, I don't think it too far fetched to say there is a real chance that there might be another 'Holocaust!'

 

Dishonesty is knowingly & deliberately misrepresenting the facts as you did when you claimed that: "Of course Grau ignores (or doesn't know) about the conflict between the U.S. and the pirates along the North Coast of Africa " when I had already clearly referred to the Barbary pirates in my previous Post #84.

That's dishonesty.

It is equally dishonest to deny Israel's previous & current efforts to get the US to fight wars that are solely to secure Israeli regional hegemony as spelled out in their Oded Yinon Plan.

You may be eager to sacrifice the lives of America's sons & daughters in uniform for Israel's regional hegemony but loyal Americans are not.


"Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC's successes over the past year."
AIPAC executive director Howard Kohr
New York Sun in January 2003 (1)


"AIPAC lobbied Congress in favor of the Iraqi war".
Steven Rosen, AIPAC's policy director
New Yorker profile (1)


(1) "And the winner is ... the Israel lobby"
https://www.sott.net/article/158160-And-the-winner-is-the-Israel-lobby

 

For someone with such hatred for Israel and their policies you have no problems whatsoever taking what you claim are AIPAC statements at face value.

 

Too bad what you call civilians are used as human shields. What you call a “media center” is actually a military installation when you conduct terrorist activity there. A school isn’t a school when it’s used again for human shields, with dead bodies placed there afterwards. The list does go on and on when terrorists purposely conduct operations around “civilians” in order to claim all the BS you’re trying to feed people. And the body counts are conducted by none other than the same animals uses this as a tactic.


Palestinians are led by a world wide accepted terrorist organization who purposely use “civilians” to spread all this propaganda. It’s sick.

 

There are numerous examples of Israel attacking non military installations in order to target some bad guy. The claim that the media center was some terrorist planning center is preposterous unsubstantiated nonsense on steroids.

Your claim that journalists covering a protests are somehow "human shields" is preposterous nonsense on steroids.

Just because you make up nonsense - does not make that nonsense true.

The IDF is led by individuals who are accepted world wide as having committed acts of terror, war crimes, humanitarian crimes and so on. This organization purposely uses civilians to spread propaganda ... its sick.

 

Means nothing. Historically much of the world is fanatically anti Israeli (for various reasons).

 

The idea that all of the EU Nations - including Britain, Canada, Australia and a host of others (including the US and numerous Jews - including Israeli Jews) are "fanatically anti -Israel" is preposterous nonsense.

The fact of the matter is that many of the condemnations of Israel were justified. I realize that this means nothing to you but, consider the source.

 

I don't hate Israel or its many ethical, bright & moral people. I also appreciate the innovations made by Israelis that make life better for everyone.

What I object to is the fact that Israel has been hi-jacked by an extremist right wing element and that same extremist right wing element holds a near omnipotent influence over US Government policy making and a significant number of naive, poorly informed & easily deceived American people (1)

You don't happen to have any genuine Dead Sea mud, do you?


(1) "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"
http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

“Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

“Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”CONTINUED

 

According to Numbers 24:9, those who bless Israel are blessed. About 90% of Americans believe in the Bible.

Support for Israel is the greatest virtue of USA, and the primary reason for America's prosperity.

 

lol...oh yeah?

you've called Israel "parasitic", "malevolent", "treacherous", "criminal", "insidious", "zionist colony", "genocidal state", "ruthless", "pariah state", "back-stabbing zionist", "murderous".

sounds like hate to me


edit....and "duplicitous"