The Political Cow-towing to Israel

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    If Israel wants American arms, then let Israeli taxpayers pick up the bill. Americans need that money for things like roads and healthcare, not so the IDF can drop bombs on Palestinian children.
     
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    And yet there's not one thread in this forum about it
     
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    And here is the thorny issue.

    I am absolutely NOT anti-Semitic. However I have issues with Zionism and with the policies of the state of Israel.

    There are two issues.

    1. To take issue with Zionism and Israeli policies is often falsely and disingenuously called anti-Semitic.

    2. Truly anti-Semitic *******s use these issues in their attacks on Jews

    The above clouds the issue and makes honest discourse nearly impossible
     
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    I'm not sure how one measures "Positive Karma" but I doubt that it is acquired by aiding & abetting ethnic cleansing, land theft & initiating wars of aggression as Israel's government does with American weaponry.

    You're also mistaken when you claim that:
    Never before in Gallup's history of polling have so few people believed with the Bible.


    "Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God"
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/210704/record-few-americans-believe-bible-literal-word-god.aspx





     
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    According to the Bible. Numbers 24:9 mentions that all who help Israel are blessed.
     
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    Many Far Leftists are Atheists -- they do not believe the Bible.
     
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    Which shows that USA needs more karma then ever in order to survive.
     
  8. Dissily Mordentroge

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    Nor do they swallow Randian fairy tales.
     
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    Definitely Israel saved hundreds of Americans.

    Vietnam War was an example of Negative Karma. But USA has enormous Positive Karma for helping Israel.
     
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    Shall I start one then? And if people concentrate more on Israel than on Egypt, it's because Israel takes more money and exerts far more influence over the US political system. The US-Israeli relationship represents everything that is wrong with US foreign policy in general. Instead of acting in the interests of Americans, the US government does the bidding of a foreign power. Only those with divided loyalties would be okay with such an arrangement.
     
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    Why do you take it for granted that Israeli and U.S. interests are not aligned
     
  12. Dissily Mordentroge

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    They’re aligned in so far as the exchange of advanced military technology and intelligence are concerned but what Americans don’t understand is Isreal keep the really significant advances to itself.
     
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    The more I read anti-Zionist posts, the more I agree with your signature.

    First of all, there's nothing wrong with a state keeping important stuff to itself. Otherwise intelligence agencies would go out of business, unemployment would reach new heights, people would rebel and demand secrecy be restored. Not pretty.

    Can you please post a list of the really significant advances Israel allegedly keeps to itself?
     
  14. Grau

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    How do you know that the US isn't building up negative Karma by aiding and abetting in Israel's ethnic cleansing, naziesque property theft and wars of aggression?

    After all, you were wrong before in stating: "The vast majority of Americans agree with the Bible." so you could be just as wrong in assessing what builds good & bad Karma.

    Besides, the "Israel" in biblical times was populated by people entirely different than the foreign Zionist immigrants who currently inhabit what is called "Israel" today
     
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    What our traitorous Israel First "Americans" are also unwilling to admit is that Israel represents America's greatest security threat(1) and what they don't steal for themselves, they transfer to the Chinese.(2)



    (1) "ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US"
    http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html


    EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

    “No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013, one of several in recent months given by officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the FBI and the National Counterintelligence Directorate."CONTINUED


    (2) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
    https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

    EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

    In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade."CONTINUED
     
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    As I mentioned in a previous post, the "Israel" of biblical times was inhabited by the ancient Hebrews who in no way resemble today's foreign, Israeli immigrants from Russia, the US, Europe and other distant locations.

    In other words, biblical Israel is not the same as the ethnic cleansing nuclear power that is one of the least popular countries on the planet(1) today.



    (1) “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

    EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED
     
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    Can you please post a list of the really significant advances Israel allegedly keeps to itself?[/QUOTE]
    You want Mosad to break down my front door at 3am?
     
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    Modern Jews are descendants of Ancient Hebrews. Sadly there is still a lot of antisemitism in the World.
     
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    Bible can be the only guide.
     
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    The Bible openly advocates for conquest of Israel and the surrounding area through genocide on multiple occasions. Says it is God's will.

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/genocide

    The Bible is exactly the thing you should NOT follow on this issue.
     
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    A majority of Israeli Jews have parents or grandparents from the middle East. And a large percentage of European Jews have ancient genetic ancestry from the middle East, that closely resembles the native local population.
     
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    I'm confused, cause in another thread you insist that the Nazis were really not that bad, we're not really bigots and we're actually the victims of world war II
     
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    For example?
     
  24. Dissily Mordentroge

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    Are you serious or do you really want Mosad bashing down my door at 3 am?
     
  25. Ronstar

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    So you have no examples
     
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