The President continues to be enchanted with autocrats

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  1. Belch

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    Yes, well I don't play the question game, and a long list of questions - rhetorical or otherwise - is not argument. If I remove the question marks and cobble it all together, all you are doing is ignoring the possibility that he has a reason for doing things like sucking up to Kim Jung Un, and another reason for letting everybody know that he's the President, so if you work for the executive branch, you're going to toe the line.

    At the end of the day, communications with the north koreans have opened up, the FBI has had a few key swamp creatures fired, the Mueller investigation is backfiring, he's gotten two SCOTUS justices through congress, and in the background, he's been extremely successful at loading the courts with republicans.

    Oh, and he's driven the democrat leadership insane.

    Not bad for just two years. He's still got a lot to do, but where you see a demon in the white house, I see a guy who is out of his depth, but he is making some headway in most of the right directions.
     
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    Or they can go back to your trump is gonna implode the stock market, or cause ww3 with north korea, or you umpteen russian collusion threads .
     
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    YOU challenged ME to support my belief, and I responded. . . . You complained that my mode of response was inappropriate, and then later accused me of ignoring YOUR opinions on what he is doing right; how can those opinions be ignored when they have not even been addressed in the conversation???

    Furthermore, none of your assertions have ANYTHING to do with contradicting my observation that he is a wannabe dictator.
     
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    The Saudis are buying billions of dollars of military hardware and are using it to fight Iran. Both of those are very good for us. I wouldnt give a damm if the king killed everyone at CNN

    Considering the Left is perfectly happy with murdering babies by the millions, they should just shut up and not pretend to have morals
     
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    They not only avoid reality; they avoid logic. . . . What I don't understand is how can they be so clueless, yet respond with condescension?

    Seems like I can't get away from those rhetorical questions. . . .
     
  6. Sandy Shanks

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    I was showing a relationship between the Saudi royal family and our President. Also, you left out 90% of that relationship.

    This is all okay with you. You like the idea of the Saudi royal family having a financial hold on our President. I clearly do not understand your thinking.
     
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    Our President has attracted people like you.
     
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    Winning what? What has Trump won? Be specific. Don't answer with generalities.

    In the case of Iran, Trump went backwards. Trump withdrew from the JCPOA. That agreement permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Iran is now free to follow Trump's example. If she so chooses, Iran can also exit the agreement and resume her research on nuclear development. Thank you, Mr. President.
     
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    I think we both know what their problem is.
     
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    You spoke my mind, particularly in your first para. His thinking along those lines prompted this thread.
     
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    Another Trump supporter heard from. He sounds much like the others. Trump attracted people like this one.
     
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    You THINK this Congress supports President Trump? LOL, ROFL. Let me catch my breath for a second. Not only does this Congress not support the President, it has failed miserably to support itself. That's why it has a 80% disapproval rating.
     
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    If the Saudi Royal family already owns the Trump property, how can they have a financial hold on the President ?

    The Saudi's are Muslims, I thought Muslims were politically correct with the loony left ?

    How much of a financial hold does the Russians have over the Clinton's ?

    How much influence does the Muslim Brotherhood have over Barack Obama ?

    How much hold does Barack Obama have over the drug cartels, Al Qaeda and of course Obama's "JV Team" ISIS since Obama armed them all with guns ?
     
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    Give me specifics on when Congress opposed Trump on an issue. I mean, actually did something to counteract what Trump wanted to do. Rhetoric alone does not count. Trump's own advisors have blocked his proposals, not Congress. Examples would include Trump's order to ban gays from the military and his space corps scheme.

    For example, the GOP is the party of free trade. Democrats support the liberal concept of protectionist tariffs. Trump imposed harsh steel and aluminum tariffs on our friends and trading partners. He also has started a trade war with China caused by his tariffs. All this runs counter to conservative values. The Republican Congress did nothing.

    Trump tore up an agreement with Iran that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Now Iran is free to duplicate what Trump did and resume work on nuclear research if she so chooses. The Republican Congress did nothing.

    Trump's decision to unilaterally declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel reversed more than 20 years of policy by both Democratic and Republican Presidents while removing the U.S. as a player in Middle East peace negotiations. The Republican Congress did nothing.

    I could go on, but you get the point.

    So, tell me specifically when did Congress block Trump? The failure of the repeal of the ACA doesn't count. The deciding vote was made by one Republican, and that issue was extremely complicated because Congress didn't offer an alternative to the ACA, just repeal.
     
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    This is not about Clinton or Obama or Roosevelt or Truman or Kennedy or Carter. This is about our current President for the past 20 months. This isn't a history lesson. This is about current issues that beset us today.

    I find it extremely strange that Trump's fans are incapable of defending Trump. Their answer to criticism is bringing up Bill or Hillary Clinton or Obama or some other aspect of ancient history. I find it curious that the one person Trumpsters do not want to talk about is Trump.
     
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    Showing respect for a monarch is one thing. Giving in to communist dictators is something else.

    “The King firmly denied any knowledge” sounds very similar to another statement Trump made at a news conference in Helsinki in July when he revered the word of another autocrat. "I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today," Trump said.

    Trump does not stop there. At one point he fell in love with an autocrat who murdered his own brother and uncle, has imprisoned thousands of his own people in gulags, and has threatened the United States with nuclear annihilation. Despite Kim Jong Un's failure to take any steps toward denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula per his promise, Trump made this statement recently, "I was really being tough. And so was he. And we'd go back and forth. And then we fell in love. OK? No, really. He wrote me beautiful letters. And they're great letters. We fell in love."

    Reminder, this is our President speaking.

    Trump is also enamored with still another autocrat, Xi Jinping, the communist dictator of China. “President Xi and I will always be friends, no matter what happens with our dispute on trade. China will take down its trade barriers because it is the right thing to do,” Trump said a few months back.

    I could show photos of Trump bowing to the monarch or doing a sword dance, but what is the point? That is a stupid game. I will leave that to Trumpsters.
     
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    So what are you demanding that Trump should do ?

    What has the Washington Post done in response to the murder of one of their foreign (non U.S. citizen) political activist journalist ?
    Still being reported today...NOTHING.
    The WaPo continues doing business in Saudi Arabia.

    Hollywood liberal elitist keep doing business with the Saudi Royal family on the Left Coast.

    What are the British, French, Germans, Chi-Coms, Japanese response ?
     
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    Of course he said thay...he doesnt want thwm to know they are in to them...its commi sense just like he said its common sense not to announce on tv when and where bombs will be dropped or when military attacks take place
     
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    There's always someone who didn't get the word.

    Americans are never supposed to bow at the waist or kneel to any monarch or flag.

    Every king and queen in the world are well informed that for over 235 years no American is required to bow at the waist to any person, place or thing including the President of the United States.

    Standard American protocol to show respect to a monarch or head of state is a hand shake or the lowering of the head from the neck but never never bowing at the waist.

    No American is ever to kneel to anyone or anything else except too God.

    It's an Americana thing.
     
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    I don't know what the Trump administration should do. They are between a rock and a hard place. My only recommendation is for Trump to stop acting like counsel for the Saudis. He still hasn't learned to keep his mouth shut. This is a work in progress and he should have just shut up and utter no comment for now. Too late now.

    The fact that SecTreas Mnuchin is not attending the Future Investment Initiative in Riyadh in noted.

    The British, French, and Germans will not be sending their representatives.
     
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    Once again, we are dealing with the issues facing us today, not the issues from nine years ago.

    At the very worse, bowing may have been inappropriate. Rejecting the work product of American intelligence is a national security threat.

    “The King firmly denied any knowledge” sounds very similar to another statement Trump made at a news conference in Helsinki in July when he revered the word of another autocrat. "I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today," Trump said.

    Trump does not stop there. At one point he fell in love with an autocrat who murdered his own brother and uncle, has imprisoned thousands of his own people in gulags, and has threatened the United States with nuclear annihilation. Despite Kim Jong Un's failure to take any steps toward denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula per his promise, Trump made this statement recently, "I was really being tough. And so was he. And we'd go back and forth. And then we fell in love. OK? No, really. He wrote me beautiful letters. And they're great letters. We fell in love."

    Reminder, this is our President speaking.

    Trump is also enamored with still another autocrat, Xi Jinping, the communist dictator of China. “President Xi and I will always be friends, no matter what happens with our dispute on trade. China will take down its trade barriers because it is the right thing to do,” Trump said a few months back.

    I could show photos of Trump bowing to the monarch or doing a sword dance, but what is the point? That is a stupid game. I will leave that to Trumpsters.
     
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    Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. That we know.

    Saudi Arabia originally denied knowing anything about the disappearance of Khashoggi. They said he left the consulate.

    As it stands right now, we have Saudi Arabia murdering a legal American resident and a reporter for the Post. The Saudis committed the dastardly deed within a Saudi consulate, and the Saudis are investigating the murder.

    This is okay with our SecState, Mike Pompeo. Pompeo said that Saudi officials told him during a visit to the kingdom this week that "they will conduct a complete, thorough investigation of all of the facts surrounding Mr. Khashoggi, and that they will do so in a timely fashion."

    The U.S. wants to "allow the process to play out," Pompeo added. The murder took place sixteen days ago.

    Apparently, Pompeo, acting on instructions from Trump, want to give the Saudis time to come up with a reasonable story to suit the needs of Washington and Riyadh. Currently, the Saudis (and Trump?) are looking at a general to blame. This may or may not fly.

    The New York Times reports, "American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia is culpable in the killing of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, an appraisal that poses challenges to a White House intent on maintaining a close relationship with the kingdom. Intelligence agencies have not yet been able to collect direct evidence of the prince’s involvement, American officials said.

    "But intelligence agencies have growing circumstantial evidence of the prince’s involvement — including the presence of members of his security detail and intercepts of Saudi officials discussing a possible plan to detain Mr. Khashoggi, according to American officials.

    "Officials have also said the prince’s complete control over the security services makes it highly unlikely that an operation would have been undertaken without his knowledge."

    Trump and his sycophant, Pompeo, seem perfectly happy to accept the prince's assessment of all this, and Trump is unwilling to use American intelligence to uncover the truth. Nevertheless, our intell agencies are assessing the prince's involvement independently. Trump may or may not accept their report. He has rejected American intelligence in the past ... most notably at Helsinki in July.
     
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    I'm not hopeful, but maybe this will force Congress to do something? More than likely, they will roll over and beg like the little puppies they are when the hear their master's voice. The cry will ring out in House and Senate chambers, "Woof, woof. Don't tweet me! Please don't tweet me!"

    It's unfair to criticize Congress for lacking a moral and ethical backbone. It's not Congress, it's the members. The big scary guys on both sides of the ocean say all is well so the kids need to shut up and roll over. So some press guy got tortured and chopped up by Muhammad Bone Saw. After all, he wasn't really one of ours was he?

    The latest news on the hit parade is that the Saudis fingered the culprit but, woe is us, he died in a car crash yesterday. Maybe arabs are dumb enough to swallow an entire manure spreader but Americans are not - maybe. Tune into Trump's next rally and find out.

    Jeez I wish we had a Congress.
     
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    It's not so much what Congress opposed Trump doing, more that Congress didn't do anything at all.(Congress if you remember is the legislative branch. The executive doesn't have legislative powers.) In order to illustrate my grievances with Congress, I take you back to the previous election. If you remember, on the Left there was Bernie Sanders to HRC. And the far-left cryout was: "Why wait"? There was a similar cryout between us Nationalists.

    We wanted good roads, we wanted education reform and we wanted deficit trimming. That's all we Nationalists desired. We wanted America to be great again, not for some sect or race, but for the whole of the Homeland. And that's what these losers on both sides promised as they won their congressional seats. So have they fulfilled their promise?

    No, they haven't! POTUS Trump wanted a clean budget, he asked for that twice. Instead he had to sign the temporary budgets that continue to expand the debt. I disagreed with declaring Jerusalem the capital, but I see Trump's idea: By taking Jerusalem away, that'd leave the other things to negotiate. And it really has made Palestine out to be a baby. Trump revealed that a two-state solution was never viable.

    And if Democrats supported tariffs, why didn't they do so during the Obama terms? Or the Bill Clinton terms? I will admit, this is the most risky because our economies are intertwined. But we couldn't just do nothing as China continues to rape our intellectual property rights. In reality, POTUS Trump is not a dictator and has not violated anyone's rights.

    He is hamstrung by the Russian Investigation, and by the most apathetic Congress we've ever seen. Destined to be more apathetic and more chaotic as the Democrats win office for doing nothing but being out of power.
     

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