The press is the enemy of the people

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But you were a true believer for Obama??????????????
     
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    You are confusing News shows with the 24hr. OP ED shows on Fox, CNN, MSNBC. Those are entertainment and opinion shows - not news shows.
    If you want news, go to the BBC, AP reporters, NPR - but please, everyone, stop thinking that OP ED entertainment channels are news channels.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They apparently believe that Hitler, Stalin and Mao were elected to office by the will of their people.

    Hitler stacked the German congress to take charge. Stalin or Mao were communists and they got their jobs by parties resembling the Democratic party of this country.
     
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    True. But Trump does seem to admire the control that Putin and Kim have over their press. It's obvious to everyone that Trump is self-obsessed and thin-skinned. EVERY president has had to deal with poor press. Hell, Clinton screwed around was impeached (rightly) and it was all over the news for months. Somehow, he rode it out without suggesting State controlled media. The press states that Obama had a larger inauguration crowd and Trump publicly craps his pants for three months.
     
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    Wrong about me. Your argument rests on what I watch. I did watch ABC, NBC and some of CBS today FIRST. It was hours later that the local Fox independent network finally allowed me to see that. That was very fair and balanced. I did not particularly like FOX having Jerry Nadler complain over the Mueller report saying it was simply not going to do. he said to the rest of us he was keeping this dog and pony show going forward. HE once trusted Mueller. The R man next was allowed to talk, Collins is his name and he said the Mueller report, the Democrats gold standard ends the discussion.
    Chris wallace treated him and Nadler precisely the same. The major networks clearly are angry at the Mueller report and truly listened attentively to Democrats and with the republicans engage in wholesale arguing. I see the difference.

    I do not go by one source at all.

    I watch PBS faithfully during the week. At times yes, I also get data there. They piss me off by constantly telling us what Democrats think Again they fight the republicans and allow the democrats to get the idea they are excellent & trusted so do not argue with them, just fight republicans.
     
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    Well, Hitler was elected. And Mao created his party from a popular uprising. And claiming the Democrats are like Chinese communists is pathetic hyperbole on your part.
     
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    Sadly, it is.
     
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    In a republic that can only happen because that is what the people want
     
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    Why is the right so weak and powerless in the media?
     
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    Why do you claim not to be a Democrat then pull that stunt? The stunt of talking for Trump in saying he admires Putin or Kim?

    Put that BS to rest today. Trump has to negotiate with both. Trump now has armored colums on the Russian Border. HE does not want that armor to be bombed by Putin. We have the big stick on the Mexican border, we have nothing but armor on the Russian border. Trump has only reported that he pressed Putin various times over the Russian/election issue and says to us what he was told by Putin. Kim is a tougher customer. Kim needs some hugging. TRump is playing Kim. Kim actually now believes it thanks to our own Media so he now is making life a hell for Trump. Trump wanted the nukes problem ended. Now thanks to our own Media blasting Trump, Kim thinks the same thing north vietnam thought when it took advantage of the media here and concluded it has both lost and could win by a non binding treaty so far as north vietnam was concerned. Kim decided to use that tactic on Trump.

    I for one was posting during the Clinton era and saw just what took place.

    Trump never defined the crowd as those at the public mall in DC. Trump defined it as those plus guys like me who saw all of it on the internet as it took place. This was my first experience watching it happen live on the internet. The media kissed the ass of Obama and wanted to defend Obama and attack Trump. When the media attacked Trump over crowd size, I knew then and there the dark skies were next and sure enough, the congress charged off at Trump like he was their enemy.

    I have been in that national mall plenty of times. I walked my ass off there. I am positive that the crowd size for Obama and Trump was closer to equal than what the media tried to show.

    I know where the water is that per the media, crowds were at for Obama. I think a hell of a lot of photoshopping happened to favor Obama. most Americans are not aware of all the water there is in that public national mall. I know where all of it is.

    Unless those were ducks counted as people for Obama, he and Trump were approximately equal. Then did the media focus on the rain going on that day? Hell no they did not. A lot of people won't tolerate heavy rains.

    Another factor at the national mall the press simply ignores. It is not entirely flat land. About the point where they built the Washington Monument, it crests. That monument is built on the top of a small hill. And behind the hill on the side of the Lincoln Memorial, it sucks to be that far back trying to see a human clear the hell down at the Capitol. It is a dumbass thing to stand there trying to see a thing a half mile away. Damned fools never were told that story by the media.

    They tried to show people a half mile or more distant trying to see something that far off. And you know you can't see much that far off.
     
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    And your answer is the perfect illustration of someone who confuses entertainment opinion shows with news shows. You used Chris Wallace's interview of a person giving their OPINION as an illustration of news. That's an opinion, not news. News is when someone comes on and tells you a train derailed today. Opinion is when a person comes on and tells you why he "thinks" it happened. A guy who is paid as as a Fox (or CNN) commentator is NOT a news person. It's an OPINION when a guy says he once trusted Mueller.
     
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    I know why. The media is currently intensely loyal to a party, the Democratic party. That is why they are not fair or balanced.
     
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    But why? Why is the right so weak and powerless that they can not get control of the media?
     
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    Parties change over time, but for 160+ years the Republican Party has been generally neutral on race relations. It's been relatively color blind. Whereas the Democratic Party has been obsessed with race. They've been for slavery, Jim Crow, and affirmative action.

    Teddy Roosevelt was by far the most left-leaning Republican president, but we still love him. He belongs on Mount Rushmore.
     
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    Wait. I also stated the opinions came from both a powerful Democrat and the ranking Republican. But I also stated I relied on the majors for the news.

    Are you truly calling the esteemed Chris Wallace news program an entertainment program?

    With him you do not get 15 seconds of a report, you get all the information along with people there to prove things that get claimed.

    Wallace TOOK the opinions of both sides to try to give more clarity and details.

    Even the vaunted PBS that I watch hands the news plus their guests views. And or course they favor the one party, the democratic party.

    One cute thing about you is you tell me what we both agree on and pretend we differ on said issues.
     
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    Robert - you just pulled a Trump. You crapped your pants over the reports of crowd size at the inauguration. The press wan't the first to claim crowd size, it was Trump's people (Spicer) who claimed that it was the largest crowd ever to attend an inauguration. The press merely fact checked that statement and found it to untrue. Now you're hoping that "maybe" they were equal (if only it hadn't been raining) ...? That doesn't make the press liars.
     
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    Still opinion - not news. And they are entertainment programs. When you have a weather person come on and tell you it's 70 degrees out - that's news. when you watch two people argue over why, it's opinion ... Chris Wallace or not.
     
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    Perhaps the problem is the republic. This republic has 50 voting states. My state does not vote on the issues they in Michigan, Wisconsin, Rhode Island and Florida vote on. We are a state. We as a state have a fully functioning complete government. Even a small army here.
     
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    Not a news show - an entertainment and opinion show. All the 24 hour channels like Fox and CNN are entrainment channels 95% of the time. It's a lot of empty time that has to be filled.
     
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    Uh....ok
     
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    Spicer responded to press claims. And now you are crapping your pants too over crowd size.
    Let me show you proof: I will repeat it later



    I bet if you go back, that Spicer only replied to a question put to him. And he did not confine it to attendance. (It was not a question, but he did say it was added to the internet audience, in different way though)

    Tell me, factually have you done Like I have done and actually walked that mall? From end to end and side to side?

    Ask me questions since I have done that.

    Why did I walk so much of it? Parking in DC costs a fortune. I mean why not get some exercise as I did? I did not mind walking all over that place.
     
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    I am a die hard Trump supporter!

    Way back when, I was a Democrat - I agreed with President Reagan and along with him, I changed from Democrat to Republican; I didn't leave the Democrat party - the Democrat Party left me.

    I believe in many Republican and Democrat ideals - what I don't believe in are the two parties who tell their electorate whatever the polls tell them to say and then they do the bidding of their money-masters.

    President Trumps views are my views!
     

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