The Price of Freedom

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, Jul 11, 2021.

  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    Quote from the preview:
    "It is absolutely clear that our Founding Fathers loved gun control."


    It sounds like it'll be an interesting and informative documentary that people (especially Americans) should watch.
     
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    It's absolutely clear that the 2nd Amendment and all of the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states until the 14th Amendment.

    It's absolutely clear that the Founders felt that the right to keep and bear arms was an individual right.
     
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    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    Gun control was needed back in the early days of America. Modern day firearms are a much greater to public safety. So how much more is gun control needed nowadays?
     
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    Prove this.


    So are cell phones and computers as compared to pen and quill.

    Any that are Constitutional, effective and enforceable.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    They're not though. What are some 500 million firearms in the US. And 20,000 gun related homicides. That's 0.004% of guns that Were the cause of someone's death the outside of suicide.

    And if we keep in mind if you don't belong to a gang, or involve yourself in criminal activity that number is greatly reduced even further.

    Consider that against the likelihood someone would die of heart disease.

    For health related things to even consider this miniscule almost non-existent threat is a waste of their resources and it's just for political ends.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None what so ever, there are already 20,000 gun laws on the books, that are not being enforced, believing that adding more will result in a different outcome, is a sign of insanity
     
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    Considering the featured cast members are rabidly anti-gun, I would say this is another Bloomberg/Soros funded anti NRA/Anti-GUN hit piece.
     
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    The title alone is the dead giveaway.....
     
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    They did not have video back then so all we have to go on is their written word. Here you go:

     
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    "Three major U.S. cities struggling to curb a surge in gun violence collectively had at least 70 people shot, 16 dead, including a 7-year-old girl, in multiple shootings this weekend, according to police.

    "The shootings in New York, Philadelphia and Chicago came as all three cities have seen sharp increases in the numbers of shootings in 2021.

    "In Chicago, at least 52 people were shot between 6 p.m. on Friday and 11:59 p.m. Sunday, nine of them fatally, according to the Chicago Police Department. Twenty-three of the shootings occurred over just a 4-hour period between 12:26 a.m. and 4:30 a.m. on Sunday, according to incident reports reviewed by ABC News."
    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/7-old-fatally-shot-gun-224600007.html

    Most developed countries would think the price is too high.
     
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    If you want laws like Europe or Australia,the US would have to:
    1. Repeal the 2nd and 4th Amendments.
    2. Overturn at least five SCOTUS decisions.
    3. Only allow about 1 in 20 of current firearm owners to own guns.
    4. Confiscate about 350 million firearms
     
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    Nazi propaganda film. Produced and backed by nazis
     
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    In most developed countries, those doing the shooting in Chicago would have been locked up or executed.

    In Chicago guns are not the problem, a flawed criminal justice system is the problem.
     
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    "NRA leader Harlon Carter:
    1) Escaped a murder conviction
    2) Transformed the NRA from an organization for sportsmen into a political organization bent on lobbying against common-sense gun safety."
    https://twitter.com/TPOFMovie/status/1421234274221576193

    Their politics eventually led to the Heller ruling.
     
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    Given that both US v Cruikshank and UNITED STATES, Petitioner v. Rene Martin VERDUGO-URQUIDEZ, both of which preceded Heller and were over 100 years apart, the claim that Heller created an individual right is spurious.

    Without the recognition of an individual right to keep and bear arms, Miller, whose entire appeal was based upon that right, would have no standing to have his case reviewed by SCOTUS.
    There have been six major pieces of gun control legislation passed by Congress, all prior to Heller: NFA 1934, Gun Control Act of 1968, Firearm Owners Protection Act (including the Hughes Amendment) of 1986, the Brady Act, the Assault Weapons Ban and the Lautenburg Amendment.
    The word militia isn't mentioned a single time in any of them. The words "individual", "person" and "citizen" are repeated hundreds of times.
    In 1982 the Senate published a report entitled "the right to keep and bear arms report" that affirmed an individual rights viewpoint.
    The claim that Heller changed the interpretation of the right protected by the Second Amendment from a collective to an individual viewpoint simply has no merit.
     
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    Totally false, the conviction was overturned because of incorrect information by the judge to the jury.

    Truth is if he had a criminal record he never would have been hired by the Border Patrol.
     
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    "In many ways, you couldn’t script a better a origin myth for the modern NRA. The scene had everything that would come to define the organization: home and family, a fervent sense of self-protection, vigilantism, and standing your ground. For the NRA’s critics, it exemplifies the association’s tacit approval of race-based violence and white impunity."
    https://timeline.com/harlon-carter-nra-murder-2f8227f2434f

    He shot a 15 year old Hispanic boy (Ramón Casiano) in the chest with a shotgun but his conviction was overturned because the trial judge made an error. It doesn't sound like a case of justifiable self defense to me.
     
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    Did you go to Law school with this guy?
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    Argue that to SCOTUS and get them to repeal the Second Amendment if your argument is valid.
     
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    These cities aren't struggling. They are suffering the consequences of their own policies. Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit, Oakland, St; Louis -- America's murder capitals -- do not have a gun problem: They have a culture problem. Take away the guns and the culture remains. The insidious part of it all is that the leaders of these cities bend over backwards to avoid holding the most violent criminals accountable for their violent acts and try to gaslight the public into believing inanimate objects are the cause of so much bloodshed in their potholed streets. The height of this absurdity is the idiot mayor of Chicago blaming Indiana for her city's unprecedented violence. The real danger to society is politicians of this ilk who actually get more people killed because they refuse to hold violent actors responsible for their depraved indifference to human life.
     
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    Gun control dating back to the 17th century was strictly about making sure people of certain races had no power.

    So to then turn around and see not enacting racism is racism is not understanding history.
     
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    Not true and wasn't the 2nd Amendment in the 18th Century discriminatory? The only people who had a RKBA were white.
     
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    Gun control started to keep guns out of the hands of previous slaves so has its roots in racism.
     
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    The only people that had any recognized rights were white. This isn't news. Was the 1st Amendment discriminatory, and should we attack it like you are attacking the 2nd for being discriminatory?
     
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    Yes it's true. The very first gun control law was about stopping people from lower races having firearms. And that's what it's been about in our country.

    Even you're acknowledging it. If the only people that had the right to keep and bear arms or whites then gun control was about black, natives and Asians.

    Why would you shoot your own argument in the foot like that?
     

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