The principal agents of most pollution

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  1. Josephwalker

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    First world society is reducing population growth on its own so no need for population control their and as you say it just won't work in third world countries.
    Healthcare cost in America have many causes and blaming the high cost entirely on the free market is not accurate. For one thing we lead the world in obesity which causes many very expensive health problems. Then there's our ambulance chasing lawyers that do their share to drive cost up. We also develop most of the worlds drugs and we pay for the R&D cost of the drugs the rest of the world knocks off and gets for free so to speak. Another thing is the mentality in America that doctors deserve to be rich. Every mother wants their son to be or their daughter to marry a doctor or a lawyer, a group already mentioned. Those two in conjunction drive up the cost of health. Then theirs the American patient and our requirements to consider. We want and demand the latest greatest surgery, treatment, machines, and medications in existence and we want them immediately. That also drives up cost.
    As for massive war and famine in undeveloped countries yeah I think that's right around the corner as they overwhelm their already overpopulated countries and begin fighting amongst themselves for survival. Our biggest danger then will be refugees from these failed states and what you see now at our southern border is just a sample of what's to come.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are VERY wrong on the above.

    The outrageous costs of healthcare - the primary reason for a shorter than Europe lifespan - is because there is no way to introduce competition amongst doctors. So HC-costs remain inordinately high.

    Their charges MUST BE specified by a National Healthcare System in order for prices to be accessible by ALL.

    And they aren't in the US. Which is why the country has ERs, which is good for a TV-series but little else. When an illness has become an "emergency" it is way too late ...
     
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    So you just blow off all the other causes I listed as not relevant?
     
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    It may be a good idea for you to do a bit of research and talk to nurses and doctors before you accuse others of being wrong.
     
  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the "research" has got it all wrong?

    I seriously doubt that. YOU just don't like what the research is saying.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No the central precept is this: "Their charges (costs) MUST BE specified (regulated) by a National Healthcare System in order for prices to be accessible by ALL."

    Healthcare is NOT just another "market", and to be treated as such. It is highly singular in which there is no competition of which to speak or measure!

    Get it now ... ?
     
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    Actually I live with a Nurse and know a few doctors and all of them would dispute your assertions. I'll tell you what, next time you are injured just put it to the test.
     
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    So you just blow off all the other causes I listed as not relevant?
    What I get now is you have blinders on and only see one of many issues that contribute to the cause of high healthcare cost in America.
    Let's look at just one of the several factors I listed that drive up healthcare cost with our obesity epidemic. As you can see if you take your national healthcare blinders off for a minute a very large percentage of our higher healthcare cost is directly attributable to obesity in America.

    "Nationally, 39.6 percent of adults and 18.5 percent of children were considered obese"
    https://www.aafp.org/news/health-of-the-public/20181015obesityrpt.html
    • Obese adults spend 42 percent more on direct healthcare costs than adults who are a healthy weight.
    • Per capita healthcare costs for severely or morbidly obese adults (BMI >40) are 81 percent higher than for healthy weight adults.6 In 2000, around $11 billion was spent on medical expenditures for morbidly obese U.S. adults.
    • Moderately obese (BMI between 30 and 35) individuals are more than twice as likely as healthy weight individuals to be prescribed prescription pharmaceuticals to manage medical conditions.7
    • Costs for patients presenting at emergency rooms with chest pains are 41 percent higher for severely obese patients, 28 percent higher for obese patients and 22 percent higher for overweight patients than for healthy- weight patients.
    https://www.stateofobesity.org/healthcare-costs-obesity/
     

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