The problem of Capitalism

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Do you agree that the main problem of Capitalism is of moral nature?

Poll closed Apr 12, 2019.
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  1. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    divine rights of kings belong to queens too

    peasants cannot steal the wealth of landowners for equitable redistribution among their communes. the noble class rightfully has disproportionate representation in government.

    the purpose of the majority is to serve landowners.

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/peasant
     
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  2. crank

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    Despite that being ancient history, and not even remotely relevant to modern democracies, that's exactly what would happen again under BIO's 'govt controls all the lands' scenario.
     
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    "Socialists" don't have the foggiest notion of what it is, so how is anyone else expected to grasp it. "Socialists" actually think it means redistribution of capitalist profits. How funny is that!

    And socialism exists all over the world. Always has.
     
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    America and the UK are exactly the same size. Great maths, Reivs.
     
  5. bringiton

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    Those are just legal privileges, not rights.
    Nope. They just realized slavery was redundant: when all the good land is owned, you can treat the landless like slaves without the bother of actually owning them.
    It is the landowner who is privileged, and I will thank you to remember it. The only thing that makes it "their" land is forcible dispossession of all who would otherwise be at liberty to use it.
    Only as long as useful idiots paid to violate others' rights don't understand their own rights or how landowner privilege impoverishes them.
    Garbage. Without it, she starves to death.
    No, it is rich, greedy, privileged parasites stealing from their betters.
     
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    <yawn> I know you know you are too terrified even to offer an argument against my views, because you know you will just be demolished and humiliated again, and the falsity and evil of your beliefs made excruciatingly plain to you.
    Everyone has a right to their rights, even if the evil claim to own them.
    <yawn> Is that what happened when the landless French peasants took the property of the aristos? Is it what happened when the abolitionists took the property of the slave owners.
    LOL!! Wasn't there some other ninny who was always claiming others were afraid?
    Thanks for reassuring me that the opposition is still despicable.
     
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    You know your arguments have been destroyed. You do not now nor have you ever had a right to property someone else owns. If you try and take it, you will be swiftly stopped. You are terrified which is why you don’t try and take it. Comparing owning a human to owning land is retarded.
     
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    Divine rights exist nowhere in the developed world. They are a figment of the imagination of uneducated people. (Iow, division of church and state that should never ever happen anywhere.)

    What "peasants"? You still living in the 19th century?

    The sort of statement that indicates accurately your level of intellect. Any further exchange with you is hopeless. You go on Ignore ...
     
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    Is it lonely in your echo chamber?
     
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    Yep, million plus acres? Just like owning your backyard. Genius crank, genius!
     
  11. liberalminority

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    those are all good arguments to ban immigration to America so that all the good land isn't taken, its founders wanted the peasants all to be landowners.

    most landowners are fruitful without peasant labor, they take personal responsibilities for their own harvest.
     
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    They wanted to make money by owning land, without having to make any contribution to production.
    No. The landowner qua landowner never contributes anything, and is never fruitful. It is farmers who plant and harvest by their personal responsibility. You just refuse to know the fact that owning land is different from doing something productive.
     
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    the founders contributed to their own production with slaves, in those times slaves were considered property.

    today landowners use technology instead of slaves to produce.
     
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    <yawn> I know you know you are too terrified even to offer an argument against my views, because you know you will just be demolished and humiliated again, and the falsity and evil of your beliefs made excruciatingly plain to you.

    Everyone has a right to their rights, even if the evil claim to own them, and even if government agrees with the evil.
    <yawn> Is that what happened when the landless French peasants took the property of the aristos? Is it what happened when the abolitionists took the property of the slave owners?

    LOL!! Wasn't there some other ninny on this forum who was always claiming other members were afraid?

    Thanks for reassuring me that the opposition is still despicable and evil.
     
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  15. bringiton

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    Owning a legal entitlement to take what others produce is not the same as producing oneself. The landowner and slave owner labor at rent seeking -- legally transferring wealth from others to self -- not production (augmenting total wealth).
    No, like the slave owner, the landowner qua landowner never produces, using technology or anything else.
     
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    the peasant class also does not produce upon the land, but someone has to make use of this land.

    it is the landowners right to make use of the land because the landowners forefathers defeated england for land rights

    capitalism's problem has always been peasant uprisings for free handouts, free lunches, and free rides.
     
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    You know your arguments have been destroyed. You do not now nor have you ever had a right to property someone else owns. If you try and take it, you will be swiftly stopped. You are terrified which is why you don’t try and take it. Comparing owning a human to owning land is retarded.
     
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    Given the tragedy of the commons is really how they were stolen, its amusing to see centrists referring to rights...
     
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    <yawn> I know you know they haven't, and you are too terrified even to offer an argument against my views because you know you will just be demolished and humiliated again, and the falsity and evil of your beliefs made excruciatingly plain to you.
    You know that everyone has a right to their rights even if the evil claim to own them, and even if government agrees with the evil.
    <yawn> Is that what happened when the landless French peasants took the property of the aristos? Is it what happened when the abolitionists took the property of the slave owners?
    LOL!! Wasn't there some other waste of electricity on this forum who was always talking about other members' "fear," and claiming they were afraid?
    Thanks for reassuring me -- and proving to readers -- that the opposition is still despicable and evil.
     
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    Of course they do.
    No, they do not.
    That is one of the more absurd non sequiturs I have encountered.
    No, capitalism's problem has always been the free handouts, free lunches and free rides given to landowners at the peasants' expense.
     
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    You know your arguments have been destroyed. You do not now nor have you ever had a right to property someone else owns. If you try and take it, you will be swiftly stopped. You are terrified which is why you don’t try and take it. Comparing owning a human to owning land is retarded.
     
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    Round and round they go! There has to be economics to destroy an economic argument. Repetition of "its retarded yeah but" avoidance of economics just wont wash
     
  23. liberalminority

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    to the victor go the spoils of war, the Pilgrams defeated england for their land and passed it to their descendants in New England.

    the Presidents father passed wealth to the President

    you cannot take President Trump's real estate holdings because you feel its not fair that he is a Landowner.
     
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    That is an explicitly evil statement because it justifies and encourages the waging of wars of aggression for an evil reason: greed.
    And the justification for any of them owning people's rights to liberty...?

    Thought not.
    It has nothing to do with Trump or my feelings. Landowning is objectively wrongful. It is objectively evil.
     
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    Thanks for proving again that those who oppose liberty, justice and truth are still factually wrong, logically incompetent, morally despicable, personally detestable, and self-evidently evil.
     

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