The problem with keeping all guns locked in a safe

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  1. JakeJ

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    This was a horrific multiple murder crime in which the primary goal of the crime was to steal guns in a safe - and a drug addict son complicit in the crime. If you read the account, it is clear that the homeowner did not have any gun available to him - all locked in a safe - and as a result he, his wife and the son all were brutally murdered by stabbing, a baseball bat, choking and fire. It also is clear that if he had one of his guns immediately available rather than all in a safe they would all still be alive except possibly the murderers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...parents-ended-up-dead/?utm_term=.bf1efd3b266f

    Having guns in a safe or keeping a gun unloaded makes the gun(s) absolutely worthless.
     
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    What is missing from the story. The united state supreme court ruled in the Heller decision that firearms cannot be mandated to be locked up and rendered inaccessible for the purpose of immediate self defense. The district of columbia attempted to argue that it only took three seconds to disable a trigger lock on a firearm, yet the court still held that even a hypothetical delay of three seconds violated the second amendment.

    The family in this case died because the state possessed a law that was already declared unconstitutional by the united state supreme court, because the state in question decided to violate established, binding legal precedent that was set by the court.
     
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    I keep a gun mounted by magnet under my nightstand.
     
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    It also wouldn't be an enforcible mandate without other constitutional violations. Either the cops go door to door and check to make sure ur guns are secured, or its just another bureacratic infraction to tack on in court after something bad happens, and nothing is prevented.
     
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    Massachusetts requires that guns be either locked up or rendered inoperable by anyone except the owner. A violation is punishable by up to 12 years in prison and a fine. If it's a large capacity weapon a violation is punishable by up to 15 years in prison and a fine. Is that unconstitutional?

    https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131L
     
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    I keep mine locked in a safe except for ones under my immediate control. This keeps me armed in my home with no worries when I'm not around.
     
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    Does the militia have easier regulations?
     
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    A legal requirement to secure your guns violates the constitution.
     
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    the politicians who passed the law should be held as accessories to the murders
     
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    In a word, yes. Did you think you would get a different answer?
     
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    Oh great. You're back here again.
     
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    In simple, uncomplicated, easy to understand terms, it is indeed unconstitutional, as per the Heller and later McDonald decision on the matter. No government in the united states may legally mandate that individuals store their firearms in a manner that makes them inaccessible or otherwise unavailable for the purpose of immediate self defense. There were no exceptions allowed to remain by the united state supreme court when it made these two rulings.
     
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    "Ford Heights man has been charged with misdemeanor offenses after a 5-year-old boy was shot with a gun the man owned, Cook County sheriff’s police said Wednesday.

    "Police said they found a small arsenal of weapons stuffed under a mattress in the home of Mikaehl Allen in the 1100 block of Drexel Avenue in Ford Heights, including a 9 mm Smith & Wesson pistol that the victim and his 8-year-old brother were playing with when the younger boy was shot.

    "The pistol discharged after the 8-year-old pulled it out from under the mattress, where police also found a shotgun and an AK-47 assault rifle, both loaded, according to the release."
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...ta-ford-heights-child-shot-st-0607-story.html

    If this gun owner had kept his guns locked up in a safe then this tragedy could have been prevented.
     
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    A legal requirement to secure your guns violates the constitution.
     
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    So can teaching your brat not to handle firearms or to have trigger discipline. One is constitutional the other is not. can you guess which?
     
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    Just as the matter could have been prevented if the child in question had been taught proper firearms safety, which would have rendered the method of storage moot.

    The united state supreme court has already spoken and ruled on the matter. Firearm storage mandates that render them inaccessible for the purpose of immediate self defense are unconstitutional, and left no room for exceptions.
     
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    Well, my personal opinion is thus, I like to have at hand, whatever I need for defensive porpoises, purposes, ... usually a handgun and a carbine, and anything else is locked up.

    But that is my own personal hang-up or affectation.
     
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    You are better off keeping them loaded on the kitchen table so a mental family member can blow your brains out.
     
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    There's plenty of room for lawful, safe firearms handling before we get to your absurd scenario.
     
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    No; better to keep them on your person so they're immediately available if needed.
     
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    Errr.... with tens of thousands of gun deaths a year - you think there is “plenty of room for lawful safe firearms handling” in the USA”!??!?

    Really?!?!

    This gun obsession really is a national sickness.
     
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    Of these, a few hundred are accidents; the remainder have nothing to do with safe handling.

    This irrational anti-gun obsession really is a national sickness.
     
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    There are over 300 million guns and 80 million gun owners in the US. Tens of millions of firearms are safely handled every day. We have about 500 deaths from negligent handling each year. The death rate from unintentional firearm deaths has fallen 80% since the 80s according to CDC WISQARS data.
     
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    For every gun used to commit murder yesterday, ~16,000,000 were not.
     
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