The Progressive Agenda means the Right to Earn a Living Wage for All Americans.

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  1. Empress

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    Not interested - I quit Marxism in 2003.
     
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    The proper purpose of government is to secure my individual rights and yours. You aren't entitled to my property. I'm not entitled to yours. Subsidies, wage controls and price controls violate everyone's right to their income. If you want to start a business and pay your employers a "living" wage be my guest. If I want to start a business and pay my workers what I judge their labor to be worth to me that is my business and not yours. And all of this talk about Republicans wanting to end welfare is nothing but misinformation. They will get votes by telling you they are for spending cuts and welfare reform. What do they end up doing? Nothing. So your claim that Republicans want to end welfare (not merely reform it) is utter BS.
     
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    It is the business of We the People because YOU are forcing US to SUBSIDIZE your PAYROLL!

    You are right that Republicans are a bunch of sleazeballs because thy do not practice what they preach and their gullible base still believes them.

    However if YOU want to do away with welfare then it STARTS with eliminating the CORPORATE WELFARE of subsidized payrolls.
     
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    Please provide me with what you claim is disinformation in my post.

    I absolutely addressed the topic and the comments made after the OP. Your income equality is a talking point. Individuals “worth” is well, individual. There are all types of successful people doing all sorts of different jobs. An individual that claims they are worth a certain dollar amount is living in a fantasy unless they can make it a reality by earning it. As a business owner, I pay based on ability. I reward solid effort, desire to better themselves, initiative, and dependability. I don’t reward poor work ethic. If the individual cannot at minimum pay for themselves, they are terminated. Notice nothing came into my decisions other than performance. Every business owner I’ve ever known has followed this principle for building a business.

    This living wage is a moving target. It is driven by emotion. To expect every job to provide enough wages to cover living expenses for an adult is not reality. Nice dream, but not reality. My first job in my career post college did not provide enough income to live without a roommate, and I didn’t have things like cable tv, cell phones, or internet to pay for. Many believe those expenses should be included in a living wage. Who gets to decide?

    I suggested a path forward. Teaching our youth their success is on them, not others. To not being irresponsible and making poor decisions that make their success harder to achieve. And to quit using other people’s success as an emotion of jealousy, envy, and hate and let it become a driver of determination, hard work, and success.

    Anyone in this country that is held back due to any reason other than performance, be it race, sex, nationality etc., has laws protecting them from that.
     
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    Personal anecdotes are utterly meaningless.

    Do you provide pay raises and bonuses and do you lay off workers during recessions?

    Corporations have ceased providing raises and bonuses and lay people off regardless of ability. In fact higher earners are more likely to be laid off so that they can be replaced with those who earn less.

    Corporations have taught hardworking Americans that loyalty and long hours are never rewarded but rather they are exploited and then thrown out in favor of PROFITS and BONUSES for C-level executives only.

    The UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE exists PROVING that earnings for hardworking Americans has FLATLINED for the past 4 decades while the wealthy 1% elite have taken the raises and bonuses of hardworking Americans and dumped in in their offshore bank accounts.

    This the REALITY that the MAJORITY of hardworking Americans are dealing with. The alt right DISINFORMATION denies this reality which is why it has zero credibility.

    We the People are no longer willing to tolerate the status quo and will be voting accordingly in November in order to rectify the PROBLEMS caused by the Republican/Libertarian fiscal malfeasance policies.
     
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    You are correct that both republican and democrat swamp rats in washington embrace open borders and unrestricted illegal alien migration

    For 30 years only trump voters have stood in the way of amnesty and the complete destruction of our immigration laws
     
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    It is you denying reality and not only are your posts contested they are refuted debunked and destroyed.

    At this point you are simply being childish with your projections on others.

    you were crushed and you know it.

    So what else do you have since your claims have been proven false?
     
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    Most people have.

    you are not especially blessed with insight or enlightenment and bernie is a fool
     
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    You really should not claim to be judging others compassion or empathy as you are clueless of those concepts.

    the jesus character may not have demanded others had a job but he was also not so stupid as to preach some concept of redistribution of wealth.

    HE taught his followers to help the disadvantaged he did NOT demands that his followers take from OTHERS to help the disadvantaged which is what you are preaching.

    You do not know what is best for other people and no one else does either. Neither you or bernie or ortez or any other progressive can effectively help others by deciding who has too much and who has too little.

    None of you are wise enough to decide how others money should be spent and redistributed which is why such ideas ALWAYS FAIL.

    And it is in no way shape or ****ing form compassionate to demand that OTHERS help the poor.
     
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    All false when parents cannot afford to pay their bills it is because they are too lazy to work for it as any intelligent person knows.

    You can help a poor person all day long and it is commendable but the instant you start demanding others do so you are just a thug and you are not compassionate.
     
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    You will never convince many of the need for a "living wage" until you specify what a living wage is. "Paying the bills" is not convincing anyone. Which bills? Do "the bills" include $200 a month for cigarettes? What if you pay someone a living wage but instead of buying food for their kids, they squander the money on beer and dope?
     
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    And the majority of hardworking Americans get by just fine.

    So you are saying the majority of hardworking Americans live in squalor?
     
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    Who exactly is doing the forcing?
     
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    No I'm not doing that. I pay taxes and the govt forces me to. I am the victim. I don't own a corporation and I am NOT a politician or a govt worker of any kind. I'm just a citizen and a taxpayer. If I was in charge, corporate welfare WOULD NOT EXIST.
     
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    I read the link you gave me. I too would like to return our nation to those days after WW2 when a man could go to work, buy a house, support a family, send his kids to college, and save for retirement. Then again, during that time period, America was the one developed country that wasn't devastated by the war. From a production standpoint, we were the kings - the only real game in town. This enabled us to acquire wealth that the country had never known before. But those days are gone. Europe and Asia have recovered from the war, and today they are economic and production powerhouses, and we now have no choice but to share the wealth with them. And they produce for less money, especially in Asia and Latin America.

    I too would like to buy products made in America only, if that were possible. I would be willing to pay more, but that's because I can afford it. Some people can't afford it. Any measure - whether it be taxes on corporations or tariffs - that raises the cost of consumer goods will meet resistance - and that includes resistance from liberals. (We've heard it already in response to Trump imposing tariffs.) That pair of jeans you mentioned is going to cost more if it is made in America. I would pay the extra money for the satisfaction of knowing I was helping Americans have meaningful work in this country, but I don't think that sentiment is shared across the board. Retailers and consumers like their cheap goods.

    Higher taxes on corporations will tempt them to leave, and I want to tempt them to stay. Perhaps a way to get more income to workers would be to offer business more tax cuts, but in exchange for something. For example, lower taxes for medical insurance, or a higher retirement contribution, or just that they must raise pay equal to the tax cut. Make the tax cut conditional. Just a thought ...

    Liberals who want higher worker pay really must be willing to admit that the immigration issue is not just a racist vs anti-racist argument. It is also an economic one. If we want employers to pay higher wages, then we must set the conditions whereby employers must compete for workers. It actually benefits workers if there is a shortage of workers. If employers must compete for employees, then they will have to raise wages and benefits. They will have no choice. If there is a glut of workers, then they have no motivation to raise wages and benefits.

    I would love to see the country go back to that economic "golden age", but I just don't know if it's possible. The world has changed since those days, and we are in competition with it, rather than being the sole leader.

    It's an interesting topic, but a tough one.

    Seth
     
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    Wrong, as always, given that you are persisting in believing in debunked alt right disinformation.

    But that is NOT my problem.
     
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    Bernie is a great deal wiser than the venal Republicans that you support.
     
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    Only a gullible fool would equate paying living wages with redistribution of wealth especially since they blindly support the theft of wealth from the poor and the middle class and giving it to the wealthy.
     
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    Alt right asinine dog whistles duly noted and ignored for derogatory reasons.
     
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    Your facile grasp of the subject matter leaves a great deal to be desired. Your posts will be ignored until they contain merit worthy content.
     
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    Translation: "You can no longer debate this person because they just kicked your behind."
     
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    Bernie is a con artist who sold out to the DNC after they gave him the shaft.
     
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    Least expensive for who? Not the folks living there.
     
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    You clearly stated that you would NOT pay living wages if you had a corporation which is why the response indicated that corporations are forcing taxpayers to subsidize their payrolls.

    If you want to end corporate welfare then that means forcing them to pay living wages thereby ending the subsidization of their payrolls.
     
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