The Push To Discredit HCQ

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  1. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    Real Climate Science

    The Push To Discredit HCQ

    Posted on August 1, 2020 by tonyheller

    Excerpt:

    I have no position on the effectiveness of any drug. But the censorship surrounding HCQ is very disturbing. Seven years ago, Dr. Fauci supported experimental medicines to fight a deadly novel coronavirus.


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    Scientists fight deadly new coronavirus

    Fifteen years ago, Fauci’s NIH said HCQ was a potent inhibitor or coronaviruses.

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    Dr. Fauci is a flip flopper.
     
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    15 years ago corona viruses weren't political.
     
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    HCQ is used all around the world, especially in the "great democratic socialist" countries of Denmark and Sweden universal health care institutions to fight COVID-19, but Trump is raked over the coals and social media will ban you for suggesting HCQ as being a treatment for the disease.
     
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    There is no push to discredit HCQ. There is, however, a push by Trump and his supporters to peddle HCQ as a cure.
     
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    Do not use HCQ unless your personal doctor recommends that you do so and, even then, consider getting a 2nd opinion.
     
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    Everytime they ask Peter Navarro about HCQ, he mentions that he is currently sitting on tens of millions of doses of the stuff.

    There is a strong incentive for his administration to get reduce that supply.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bullcrap. Ever read back a few weeks in this very forum.
     
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    For the zillionth time HCQ works in the lab but does NOT work in the field :roll:

    If you are so convinced of its efficacy please provide a link to a double blinded study showing the effect, dose used to achieve the effect and the recommended dosage
     
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    Again please feel free to post data supporting the use of HCQ

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    Ps I prefer a somewhat more valid link than some idiot who believes in Demon Sperm
     
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    It IS?????

    can you give a link to that?
     
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    Really you forget that many doctors used the drug in many countries, those countries Trump isn't a leader in.

    Gateway

    JAIL FAUCI: Massive International Study Shows Countries with Early HCQ Use Had 79% Lower Mortality Rate — THIS IS HUGE! We Are Talking Over 100,000 American Lives!

    By Jim Hoft
    Published August 6, 2020

    Excerpt:

    The latest international testing of hydroxychloroquine treatment of coronavirus shows countries that had early use of the drug had a 79% lower mortality rate than countries that banned the use of the safe malaria drug.

    This means that Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, the CDC, the liberal fake news media and the tech giants have been pushing a lie that has had deadly consequences!

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    Meanwhile I doubt you even read the article I posted, since it shows many nations using it with far better better results and a lot lower death rate. The WHITE PAPER report is damning about the drugs effectiveness.
     
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    Okay let’s say you convinced us

    What is the dose those countries are using?

    Now I do hate to say it but you DO realise don’t you that your “paper” (read opinion piece is from April 2013 and is about a totally DIFFERENT virus?

    OH! And give up on the conspiracy theory sites like “Gateway Pundit “ they are bad for your health
     
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    The only doctor currently recommending HCQ

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    1) One can discredit a person, but not a chemical compound.
    2) Most people I know would be happy if HCQ would work, it's just that the evidence is not conclusive.
    3) Even if it DOES work, it is no substitute for mask wearing and social distancing.
    4) People should not become complacent with the attitude "when I get sick, HCQ will save the day"..
     
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    numbers 1 and 2 go totally unrecognized by so many here including a couple of foreigners all too frequently posting here and oddly enough where that very drug is being used successfully in their own country.
    numbers 3 and 4 are completely correct.
     
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    No it’s not being used here for anything other than autoimmune disorders (we do not even use it for malaria)
     
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    Typical evidence that people pretend to have read something, when their reply makes clear they didn't, here is what you missed in the WHITE PAPER,

    "Synopsis: This white paper is to draw the reader’s attention to the indisputable safety of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), an analog of the same quinine found in tree barks that George Washington used to protect his troops. The modern version has been FDA approved for 65 years, has shown remarkable efficacy against SARS-CoV-2 and its use is being wrongly restricted despite the immediate danger to the American people and the rest of the world. We speak in support of immediately reversing the massive, irresponsible disinformation campaign that is literally preventing doctors from dispensing HCQ, advocating as well that it be made available over the counter in the United States. This is logistically easy to do in a manner that ensures the supply and appropriate dispensation. Introduction: The purpose of this white paper is to dispassionately present the evidence regarding the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine and determine its proper role in the current pandemic"

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    That was the very first paragraph of the paper, how did you miss it?

    There are a number of studies listed showing that it is effective when used EARLY, less effective when administered late.

    "Efficacy There are only two things that must be considered regarding a medication: is it safe and does it work? HCQ is amongst the safest of all prescription drugs in USA and that is why across much of the world it is sold over the counter. And at a time when the world has become seized with panic over a virus without a specific cure, the question of effectiveness is almost moot. If a drug is safe and might work, and if there are no other options, we must try it. The safety record of HCQ is indisputable. But now seven months into the pandemic there is overwhelming evidence accumulating that HCQ is also effective for Covid-19. There are dozens of studies demonstrating its effectiveness from all around the world. From China to France to Saudi Arabia to Iran to Italy to India to New York City to Michigan to Brazil. This is not surprising. As far back as, chloroquine (CQ) the first cousin of HCQ and previously known to be effective against SARS-CoV-1, was stated by China to be a treatment for Covid-19."

    Going to ignore the paper again?
     
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    Unhappy people will never open their minds to the possibility that there may be benefits to something other than just stomping their little feet screeching "orange man bad" even if the "orange man" is 7000 miles away.


    To quote a famous leftie line, "if it just saves one life"
     
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    right there on that front page is this link

    www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com

    and it links to.......”website expired”
    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87797

    All colleagues of this bat shyte crazy idiot

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    So far you have not offered one iota of proof that anywhere is using HCQ
    Should be easy to do

    lots of sites offering drug advice - why not link to one showing the recommended dose for HCQ in Covid?
     
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    The LW would rather people die that admit Trump was right.
     
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    But we are supposed to keep listening to CNN who pushed Russia collusion hoax for 3 straight years?
     
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    Who said it was one or the other and what is the metrics for the difference between the two if you only had a choice of one? Stay around someone long enough in a closed room, even with a mask and social distancing, you will still catch Covid. People become complacent that the mask will keep them from getting infected.
     
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    I find it hard to believe that we've done enough testing to prove or disprove efficacy.

    There are claims that Doctor "X" gave 300 doses and got 250 cures. Sure, okay. Anecdotal evidence sounds good.

    But, without the studies, we have no idea of knowing of those 300,

    - How many would have gotten better anyway, without the drug?
    - How many who would have gotten better anyway, ended up with some negative side-effect?
    - Why didn't it work on the other 50?

    These types of questions get answered through double blind studies.

    Until those happen, all that can be truly said about this drug is that it shows promise. That's the ONE valid claim.
     

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