The Real Problem With Health Care In America

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    If it’s important and you think you can get it done build all the federal schools you want in DC then. We can call them swamp schools. :)
     
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    in my immaculate dream, a federal university system also provides fiber optic communication and (quantum) computing power to all of the federal campuses, and also provides a communication and computing "backbone" for the several States to "plug and play" with.
     
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    It’s good to dream. The future of education is certainly not in bricks and mortar so you are on the right track with fiber communications.
     
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    I wonder why a teacher would choose earn lower pay at a private school?
     
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    Why would campuses be necessary?
     
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    for the physical infrastructure.
     
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    And why would physical infrastructure be necessary?
     
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    Yes and insurance companies get about a 75% discount. Still a crap system that screws the uninsured.
     
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    Sounds like a business opportunity...
     
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    No you haven't. You only think you have!
     
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    Better environment, better students, and better parents. The universe isn't all about money.
     
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    There is no real competition in healthcare.
     
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    Sounds like a business opportunity...
     
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    Duh - Uh

    It's Price Fixing dude.

    No competition!

    Fixed priced procedures inflate the bill.


    Competition needs to return to the realm of Medicine. :rant:



    Remember who fixes the prices too.
    It ain't the medical professionals.
     
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    computers need some space.
     
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    Those are the standard charges. Nearly all insurance companies get special rates that are well below the standard charges. The hospital is in most cases contractually prohibited from billing the balance to the patient.

    Balanced billing occurs when an insurer refuses to cover a procedure or service performed by an out-of-network provider. Usually patients can avoid this by only going to hospitals where their insurance is covered. But sometimes you'll be assigned a physician at a hospital who is not in network and you get ****ed over. It happened to me and I threatened to sue. They backed down.

    Long story short, none of this addresses whether socialized medicine is a good or bad idea.
     
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    I happen to have a friend who owns/runs a hospital who I’ve also “done healthcare business with”. I’m not blowing smoke. I’ve seen the fee schedules etc etc.

    It’s also just common sense. The provider can split the difference of the cost of paperwork hassle with the insurance company with me and we are both ahead.
     
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    Someone has to pay for the people the Government forces them to treat for free.
     
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    The real problem with health CARE IN America is no one is sending the poor to the Government run health centers.

    https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/
     
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    Have you never heard of Amazon Web Services?
     
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    But you see, somebody has to pay for the liability insurance and legal fees which exist because we have made tort law an extortion industry that benefits only the lawyers, and is inevitably paid for by the consumer. That is a social flaw that allows a giant parasitic system of graft to control affect our health industry and it's costs- yet has no real basis in actual health care. It is the reason that countries with higher levels of honor such as Japan, have 7 lawyers per 100,000 people- and we have 287, and that is more than three times the number of the country in second place with 83.

    It is also why a surgery that cost $60K in the US (such as a hip replacement) can be done in Spain, in at least the same quality, including airfare, hotel and all expenses, for the same $12,000 portion which the American with medicare would have to pay here- the $12,000 share the patient must pick up. WHY does our government not recognize where the real costs are coming from?
    It's called lobbying, influence buying, campaign contributions...
     
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    Well then why not ask him if the amout billed is tha amount paid and if a person without insurance ever actually gets their actual payment down to what a large insurance company pays. And the fee schedules have nothing to do with what is actually paid.

    And common sense has nothing to do with anything. Any quick internet search will provide you with facts.
     
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    the public sector should be responsible for the physical layer of infrastructure.
     
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    Maybe but would be hard to imagine how it would work. First you would need transparent pricing. Second a truly independant measure of quality. And none of that would be of any use excepr for elective healthcare as opposed to emergency care or care where the issue is not easily resolved.
     
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    What if, hypothetically and in that alternative; Labor had recourse to an income of last resort, in this particular case, either a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage or unemployment compensation at the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour for simply being unemployed?

    Would introducing those (near full employment of capital) market based metrics, improve the efficiency of that market?
     
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