The REAL Reason the Hard Left Supports Gun Control

More gun control is inevitable....as inevitable as another mass shooting

 

Death is also inevitable. As such there is no reason to try and prevent others from ending their own existence, or make any effort at implementing new firearm-related restrictions. Everyone is going to die sooner or later regardless, so there is no point in trying to prevent it.

 

The end goal is to totally ban the private ownership of firearms in the U.S..

 

Yes. And then put you in camps and force you to listen to Lady Gaga music all day. Lol

Such paranoia. Lol

 

Obviously. The DP is the Gun Ban Party - among other things.

 

They are coming for your guns. Lol

 

The impossible dream.

 

Yes.....impossible. So relax

 

I am. The trend is toward constitutional carry.

 

I'm not a "conservative"... you've been here long enough to know that, which means you're lying.

So why do you feel justified in lying about me?

 

The problem is that you can't "fix" that "leakage" problem. The first reason is that no matter how bad somebody's record is, they know someone who has a clean one, who is either naive about the law about buying a gun for someone else, or doesn't care. A little coaching on how to properly fill out the paperwork, and our bad guy has a gun. OK, you say, let's go to universal background checks. Problem is that requires universal registration, which does not exist, and random checks to make sure you have what you're supposed to have and don't have what you're not, which would require searches that blatantly violate the 4th Amendment. Whether or not you think it's a *good* idea, it's simply impossible.

 

true it is a combination of the left and the ignorant

 

Notice how my very popular thread was moved from the opinions and beliefs subforum into the much more lightly trafficked gun control subforum. That's been happening to my threads a lot, even though my threads are always consistent with the forum's rules. I guess I just don't understand how this works anymore. There doesn't seem to be any consistent rationale for why threads are moved around. It seems like, if a bunch of liberals want to silence you, they just bug a liberal moderator until he or she moves your thread to some out of the way place where fewer people will see it. It seems the forum policy here is to let liberals decide what we're allowed to discuss and where we're allowed to discuss it.

 

It would not be in the interest of management to reduce message traffic so I suspect there is another reason for the move, but you might want to ask about the details of the decision on "Announcements & Community Discussions".

 

You are correct that 'leakage' (makes it sound like plumbing issue) can't be solved - if by solved you mean largely eliminated. But it could be moderated to a degree with State co-operation (and of course good luck with that - the whole herding cats thing again).

By which I mean the establishing of proper state based licensing/ registration schemes for all 'new' firearm purchases at POS in ALL US States and Districts. This wouldn't have any effect on the large pool of unregistered firearms already in circulation - at least in the short term. But in the long term it should.You'd also have to get proper Federal and State enforcement of straw seller laws (The States would have to pass their own versions.) Even letting victims of crime sue identified straw sellers might help if implemented widely.

All of which takes political will at the Federal and State level, which as far as I can see is low to nil in many States. In fact off the top of my head I can't see ALL US States (and Texas) agreeing on anything, anytime soon unless its an out and out national emergency, let alone new firearms laws. And that's the main problem, all States have to be on board or no changes of any type will work.

Anyway its your problem to solve, or not as the case may be. Not ours. As far as is practicable me and mine are safe out of harms way as far as this particular topic is concerned. So I can afford to sit back and watch from a distance, even if the view is depressing.

 

They're called Americans

 

It's a liberal conspiracy!!!!!!!

 

Gee, I wonder why this was moved to the Gun Control sub-forum?

 

We will never put up with this. My State has no idea what, if any, guns I own and that is as it should be.

 

The state of California already attempted such quite some time ago, even on private firearm transactions. More firearms found in the possession of criminals in the state of California, were sold within the state of California to begin with, as per the findings of the ATF.

https://www.atf.gov/docs/undefined/cawebsite17183919pdf/download

Forty percent of all firearms traced by the ATF, sold in compliance with licensing and registration requirements in place. As opposed to five percent sold and trafficked from the state of Arizona where such requirements are not had. Meaning for every firearm trafficked in from the state of Arizona, eight are bought and sold in the state of California where it is much more difficult to pull off.

Interestingly, firearms sold in compliance with all record keeping requirements in the state of California, have been found trafficked as far as the state of New York.

https://www.atf.gov/file/130211/download

 

Gun bans, like most gun control schemes have no impact on the ability of criminals to easily obtain firearms. Gun control laws just encourage criminals to buy guns.

"Philip Etienne - a former undercover policeman who has
bought dozens of guns during his career with the Met, as
detailed in his book, The Infiltrators - believes the problem
is growing rapidly because criminals increasingly feel
pressurised into carrying firearms.

There are so many guns in circulation that, to the people
selling them, they are just another commodity, just a way
of making money. That's the business they're in and it
wouldn't occur to them to do anything else. When I was in
the police force, we concentrated on taking them out of
circulation rather than making arrests. If we heard
someone had guns for sale we would just go and buy as
many of them as we could. But today there are so many
out there, I don't think we could keep up.' Unfortunately,
Etienne looks to be right."
THIS IS LONDON, By Danny Brown, 2/28/02.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynam...?in_review_id=509803&in_review_text_id=473066

 

An updated Justice Department report prepared by the Bureau of Justice Statistics has once again poked a fatal hole in the long-running myth that there is a “gun show loophole” that so-called “universal background checks” are designed to plug.

Not only does the loophole apparently not exist, but the 20-page report also casts doubt on the effectiveness of background checks altogether because, “About 13 percent of state and federal prisoners surveyed used a gun during their crime, and of those prisoners, only 1.3 percent obtained it from a retail source.” Further, the report said that a 2016 survey of prison inmates found that only 0.8 percent of those who had a gun during the commission of a crime got them at a gun show.

And here’s another devastating little detail, found on Page 5 of the report:

“Handguns were by far the most common type of firearm possessed or used by prisoners during the crime for which they were sentenced. About 18% of all state and federal prisoners in 2016 reported that they had possessed a handgun during the crime for which they were serving a sentence (table 3). Two percent or fewer possessed a rife or a shotgun. Twelve percent of state and 5% of federal prisoners used a handgun during their offense. Most state (79%) and federal (80%) prisoners did not possess any type of firearm during the crime for which they were imprisoned.”—Department of Justice survey

This raises questions about the effectiveness, or even usefulness, of proposed bans on so-called “assault rifles.”.....snip~

https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/01/17/updated-doj-report-shreds-gun-show-loophole-myth/

The Report is a link to the DOJ. Its a mute point for the Anti Gun nuts to even argue about Bans when their Demos have admitted its about Confiscating guns.

Demos know that without confiscation. They can't usurp power.

 

Well there certainly is no gun crisis. Using liberal logic for the wall, gun violence is down from its peak so there is no crisis.

 

Highest in the developed world

 

Gun bans and gun control are designed to disarm law abiding citizens to diminish their political power. It has nothing to do with lowering crime or saving lives.

Everyone knows what could not be more obvious: Gun Free Zones = Killing Zones. Especially those who pretend they don't know it.