The REAL Reason the Hard Left Supports Gun Control

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ethereal, Jan 26, 2019.

  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    History proves it.
     
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    You said always. If that is all you have your argument is dismissed
     
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    The real motive for gun registration is always to facilitate the confiscation of weapons. Google: Nazi Germany.

    Why should any ordinary human being believe otherwise? History matters.
     
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    You have shown one place where it has happened.


    Do I really need to name the dozens of places that have gun registration that have not had mass confiscations? Really?
     
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    Leaders with small mustaches will result in a holocaust.

    Google nazi Germany.


    Lol
     
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    Never trust Big Government regardless of the mustache. :)
     
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    There is no other motive for gun registration. So, yes, list them. :)
     
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    Hawaii, canada, NYC for starters.

    Let's be clear....currently confiscations occur in every state on the union


    We are talking about house to house roundups of guns

    Go....
     
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    My point remains the same.....as you can see
     
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    Tyvm for admitting the obvious - that gun confiscations are already underway.
    Gun registration is a direct threat to the 2nd amendment and all other fundamental human rights.
     
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    Now you are running.

    They are happening in states without gun registration.

    Look if you dont want honest debate just say so
     
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    Gun registration schemes are an obvious dangerous threat to the 2nd amendment. That is the inconvenient truth that the gun ban movement always tries to evade.
     
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    I will repeat myself but not respond to the debate

    I will repeat myself but not respond to the debate

    I will repeat myself but not respond to the debate


    Lol
     
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    Irrelevant. Gun registration would clearly facilitate gun confiscation.
    Now let's see how the states confiscating guns discovered where those guns were located.
     
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    Potatoes are nice for breakfast
     
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    There you go again - another unresponsive evasive post. Evidence works better. :)
     
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    Substantive rebuttal is more persuasive. Try it! :)
     
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    You can not have a good breakfast without potatoes
     
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    Why am I not seeing who you're responding to or what they said? It looks like you're having a conversation with yourself.
     
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    I was speaking to Dyad and yes I do know how quote. However in this case in the short time it took to write my post others responded.
     
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    He responded to
    Vegas Giants.
     
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    Sorry have to call you on that one. Wheat the facts support the statement?
     
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    Wow, how quickly did we get to Hitler!
     
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    You opened the door to that responsa
    Councillor.
     
  25. Monash

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    The statistics complied by the AFT, like ALL statistics are only as complete as the source data allows. As I stated California is large state with registration requirements good enough allow the collection of a significant data set for inclusion in the ATP's national statistics. Not all States this. For example as I understand it Georgia has few (if any) laws governing permits for the purchase of firearms nor any laws governing registration for guns.

    Exactly how is the AFT meant to compile accurate stats for States where little or no records are kept, ouija boards?

    My apologies wrong use of the word 'calculate', instead replace it with 'tabulate' i.e. the AFT collects all the figures it is given in a National data base. As for the rest my argument is about the completeness of the statistics being collected I don't posit 'conspiracy theories' about possible motives for various States to manipulate their stats one way or the other.

    First step to solving any complex problem of this scale is accurate information. Doesn't matter if its military of criminal intelligence collection or cancer research if you don't have the data you are blind. If you do have it then analysis can identify key 'choke points' were the problem you are seeking to address can be attacked. Please note this doesn't guarantee success, it just makes it far, far more likely that you'll succeed than going in blind.

    Your position on the other hand is that the problem cannot be solved so don't try. Which, if I may say so (given your opinions on the topic of gun control) is somewhat self serving. I fully acknowledge the above might will not solve the illicit gun problem in the US, if by 'solve' you it mean fix it completely. However there is a very good chance, based on history of intelligence analysis that it would assist in reducing the scale of the problem.

    I referenced his contribution to the study of statistics and an important error in how people analyze them in a previous post. If you can't be bothered looking him up to learn more about that contribution I'm not going to spoon feed you here. Suffice to state that the key point he raised related to how sometimes the data missing from your set is more important that the data that is included.
     
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