The Real Reason White People Say All Lives Matter

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Cigar, Oct 23, 2017.

  1. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2013
    Messages:
    3,033
    Likes Received:
    69
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I'm comparing one group to another.
     
  2. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2013
    Messages:
    28,747
    Likes Received:
    4,821
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We say all lives matter because they do. Skin color doesnt weight one life more than another except to racists.
     
  3. Egalitarianjay02

    Egalitarianjay02 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,289
    Likes Received:
    131
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    There are different people saying different things in these Black Lives Matter marches but I have heard chants of "All Lives Matter when Black Lives Matter."

    The whole point of saying "Black Lives Matter" is to send the message that cops and the criminal justice system should not be treating Black people like their lives don't matter not saying only Black lives matter.

    Honestly I feel the suggestion is ridiculous. These people are combating injustice and racists are trying to twist their message. There are Whites and people of other ethnic groups involved in these protests as well. This is an issue of civil rights and protesting racist discrimination not promoting racism. Anyone who uses #BlackLivesMatter to advocate criminal behavior should be denounced and punished for it but don't associate them with the overall message of the movement.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017
  4. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2017
    Messages:
    18,135
    Likes Received:
    13,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That one works for me.
     
  5. Egalitarianjay02

    Egalitarianjay02 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,289
    Likes Received:
    131
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male



    The video above is a poetic response to the "All Lives Matter" counter protests. Listen to the emotion in his voice and the message he is conveying. One of the Youtubers' comments summarized the point well.

    Dianna Burrowes: "All lives never mattered to you until black lives matter to us."

    The message is and has always been "Black Lives Matter Too" so people are attacking a strawman with the "All Lives Matter" rhetoric because that was never denied in the first place.

    I will also say that I have never been involved in these protests nor have I approved of any violent behavior from some of the protesters. I am simply saying that I understand the message. The message is that Black people have been treated unjustly in America, this is still going on and people are raising awareness over it.
     
  6. Rick B

    Rick B Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2016
    Messages:
    47
    Likes Received:
    47
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Talk about out twisting words, he didn't say the whole race, he said high crime low IQ.
     
  7. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The absurdity is that in 2017, no one cares about your tan. All that matters is your behaviour.
     
  8. Egalitarianjay02

    Egalitarianjay02 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,289
    Likes Received:
    131
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Tell that to all of the people promoting racism including these White Supremacists having mass protests and committing hate crimes. They seem to care a great deal about the color of someone's skin. Racial injustice is still a problem. There is racial bias in the criminal justice system and racist cops killing people unjustly then making excuses for their crimes. We don't live in a post-racial America. Racism is clearly still a major problem in 2017. True Egalitarians believe that people should be judged by their behavior. Racists do not.
     
  9. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2017
    Messages:
    18,135
    Likes Received:
    13,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm in a restaurant now so I can't watch the video. I think we agree that there is a problem. I'm pretty sure that we are on completely opposite sides when it comes to solutions.

    I don't want to fight with you, so I'll just say that both political parties are in the wrong.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SonnieJohnson
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017
  10. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    White supremacists are a tiny group of misfits, with whom the wider conservative populace feels no obligation to defend. Unlike Progressives, who apparently have the power to influence pretty much all leftists.

    Furthermore, a reasonable proportion of those you refer to as White Supremacists are just fine with Asian Americans. You'd need to work hard to explain that.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017
  11. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are these 'racist' cops and your criminal justice systems targeting Asian Americans? Indian Americans (as in, from India)?

    Racism clearly doesn't exist in America in 2017. What does exist, is social problems in some sectors of your community.
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    "Black Lives Matter" means that police and other govt. authorities have been treating many blacks like 2nd class citizens, and this needs to stop.
     
    Egalitarianjay02 likes this.
  13. Egalitarianjay02

    Egalitarianjay02 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,289
    Likes Received:
    131
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    On what level are you saying racism doesn't exist? Are there no individual people who are racist? No hate groups? Or are you speaking on an institutional level? Not all minorities are being discriminated against to the same degree. That doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist. You can hate Blacks more than you hate Asians or Indians. That is a strawman on your part. What is more accurate is to say that there are social problems in all communities some of which is influenced by environmental inequality due to racist discrimination.

    Ask yourself this: What came first? Violent crime in the African-American community or institutionalized racist discrimination that created Socioeconomic inequality? Ignoring the role of racism in these social problems you speak of is intellectually dishonest as is suggesting that there is no racial bias in the criminal justice system or racist cops. They exist. If you want me to pull out stats and other evidence I will.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017
  14. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2017
    Messages:
    18,135
    Likes Received:
    13,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As one of my mentors, Master Lynn Jackson would say.

    Hmm... Interesting.
     
  15. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Maybe it'll stop when they stop committing crimes. You know, the way Chinese Americans don't, and don't get treated like criminals as a result.
     
  16. Egalitarianjay02

    Egalitarianjay02 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,289
    Likes Received:
    131
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    All ethnic groups commit crimes. Saying that you're not going to stop being racist until people stop giving you a reason to doesn't absolve you of your immoral behavior.
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hitler also blamed the Jews for his anti-Semitism.
     
    Egalitarianjay02 likes this.
  18. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Institutionalised. No such thing, in 2017.

    There will always be small numbers of racist individuals (of all colours) in the west. Much larger numbers outside the west, of course.

    And no, it's not a strawman. Cops can't be racist (in the sense of white supremacy) if they are not targeting non-whites generally. Your argument collapses on this. Yes, some people are poorly disposed to certain CULTURES, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with race or colour. The same or similar culture can exist in a variety of ethnicities.

    The troubles of the past should not inform our ambitions of today. Many groups have suffered immeasurable persecution and horrors, but don't let it stop them getting ahead. TODAY, there is absolutely nothing stopping your average black American new parents deciding that their baby is going to be educated out of crime and poverty, no matter what it takes. NOTHING. I defy you to name a single legitimate impediment to that ambition.
     
  19. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So, committing crimes is no justification for attracting police attention?
     
  20. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ah yes .. here we go again.

    am I racist?
     
  21. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113

    pretty easy for you, as a white person, to disregard what a 400 year legacy of slavery and Apartheid can do to a community.
     
  22. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ron .. you walked right into it.

    but yes, it IS easy to dismiss it. because I've seen worse and far more recent horrors inflicted on people .. who let it slow them down for about 5 minutes.

    the very best revenge, if revenge is sought, is success.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017
  23. Egalitarianjay02

    Egalitarianjay02 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,289
    Likes Received:
    131
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    You certainly sound like one to me. On what basis are you denying that racism still exists in America?
     
  24. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the fact that it doesn't. individuals can be racist, but not your institutions. it was all gone by the turn of the century.

    meantime, so do you think I'm a white supremacist, or something along those lines? a white bigot?
     
  25. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2017
    Messages:
    18,135
    Likes Received:
    13,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I despise your politics (as far as I believe them to be).

    I expect that you don't care what I say, but...

    You're a good man. :worship:
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017

Share This Page