The Reason China Will Beat America

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  1. EarthSky

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    Nobody said anything about Children of Aquarius or Offspring of the Universe. And nobody is renouncing living in the real world for an afterlife - except perhaps you in thinking that your rights to dignity, freedom or prosperity are somehow more important that anyone else or perhaps the Christian belief that God, if there is such a thing, somehow cares about how wealthy you are or how much stuff you have.

    Yeah, tell that to the vet's who gave their lives in WWII so that you could sit there all self-satisfied and smug with your lot. Actually there is nothing more life-affirming than to be a part of a community or to be of service, even in some small way to others. Many of your saddest statements, of which the above is right up there, only serve to highlight the pathology of the American political elite and their vapid, empty worship of material wealth and privilege. If this is all you have to your life, you are actually much poorer that the working peasants you like to denigrate and spit on.

    You have no idea what is coming........
     
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    People lived for thousands of years without any of this technology and did just fine. All this stuff you are worshiping is only necessary in your mind. In fact, in many ways it is enslaving us with technology that is spying on us and destroying our sense of community and spontaneity all the while coarsening dialogue and giving voice to the worst of human nature in hatred and vitriol.

    And wait until military really becomes robotic and run by AI and algorithms.

    You have no idea what I do for a living or how long I take people into the bush for wilderness experience. Mostly I use computers to write and limit myself to an hour or two of social media a day. And I can easily go without it especially when considering much of the disgusting content I see on social media sites and forums or the types of idiotic discussions I sometimes find myself in with people who don't understand the socially manufactured construct underneath much of what passes for historical, political or even scientific ideas you find in on-line memes and think their every idea is original and golden.

    It is actually kind of amusing in a sad way.

    I use a phone for talking to family and friends. Sure youtube and google are helpful but more and more the content you see is being controlled and manipulated by corporations.
     
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    Because America abolished slavery but the Chinese haven't?
    Is that why?

    That's a pretty bold thing to say that China and their slaves and child exploitation will beat America since PRC China's a state run political Hell Hole.
     
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    You see, that's why the defenders of liberty will win--your argument is fantasy. I suggest you read the writing of Mao, and Pol Pot, and Stalin. Like I said, and you just demonstrated--every socialist denies they want mass slaughter, yet 100 million plus butchered souls call them murdering scum-buckets. Go figure.

    Additionally, I'm not interested in doing anything for the majority or have them do anything for me. All I want is to be free of the masses of asses who claim their tears give them the right to beat me and bind me to their needs; all I want to do is use my reasoning mind in the real world to reach as high as I can reach, to become as rich as I can be, and live my life as happily as is humanly possible.

    Also, the only reason for Earth's existence is for Man to exploit it for his own selfish wants, desires, wishes, and dreams. The purpose of human life is not to serve nature, but to command it for selfish gain. And there's the rub; Capitalism, the system I support, doesn't point a gun at anyone except thieves, rapists, thugs, murders, and con-artists; your system, socialism, points a gun at anyone's head just for wanting to live. Socialism is like a rapist telling his victim, but I love you; or a wife beater, it's for you own good. Whereas, Objectivism simply states: it's your life, live it ambitiously, happily, productively, rationally...and with an earned pride.

    And lastly, whatever sins, real or imagined, America has made, she has made by drifting away from or rejecting altogether, reason, individual rights, and capitalism--she would be wise get back on the right track by embracing the legacy of her Enlightenment birth.

    P.S. When I was a young boy and learned of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, I wondered why; then I discovered Ayn Rand and I no longer wondered: the irrationality of altruism; which resulted in mass sacrifices of the individual for the common good.
     
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    I'm a Vet. I didn't join to sacrifice my life, I joined to defend my liberty...and there ain't nothing more selfish than that. Who the hell want's to live life under the state's thump? Not me, not ever, not even for just a little bit.

    I have no idea what's coming? Really? Armageddon before resurrection; only not in the mystical sense, but in the existential sense. At this time in Man's history, a new Dark Age is beginning to extinguish the light of reason, and only the Objectivists are fighting it in name of reason. They will fail, the cancer of altruism, mystical or secular, is too entrenched. Many will become sick, diseased, and impoverished: many will perish before a new Enlightenment rises.

    My Goodness, we now have thought crimes in the land of the free; we now have safe places in the home of the brave, and we know have self-induced blindness in the nation of the Enlightenment.

    When I die, I'll die as the last free man on earth, and you will all be so fckd. Thankfully, I won't have to see it. Don't take my word for it. Wait. Reality will show up. Venezuela is just a sneak peek preview of what's to come.

    Thought there is one flicker of light, one small candle of hope, on book that might spare us, "Anthem" by Ayn Rand. As long as it exists, the human being has the potential to rise to his rightful place as lord of the universe.
     
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    I said NO Such thing. Pay attention.
    NAFTA had nothing to do with China.

    So quit being a RWer and know what you're talking about. Or quit pulling stuff from your backside. Whatever the case may be.
     
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    No US company has ever been forced to open business in China.
    They do so willingly, even knowing their ideas will be stolen by them.

    Why do our companies do research and then ship all the technology to a foreign country? Knowing what China will do.

    The way rightists complain about China and what they do, you'd think they are completely ignorant of how the real world operates.
    Is that the case?
     
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    You brought up NAFTA

    And you defended globalism with the suggestion that china would live up to US environmental standards

    Which they do not do
     
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    Why they do so is a good question

    If they are globalists then the American company CEO’s will make millions that they can spend in any country on earth,

    while American workers lose their jobs
     
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    ppl live for thousands year without tech, because they don't have the technology back then. you don't get it, moving from bad to good living condition is very easy to adapt. going the oppose direction its very difficult. furthermore, modern society require these tech etc to function properly. you still Use computer aren't you, even if its one hr/day, you still use the social media right? live without it and see what happen(i'm not talking about going vacation and leave the city behind, but actually live without those things for year). ppl goto wilderness cause they want vacation/hiking experience, not because they want to live like stone man for their entire life.
     
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    NO, AGAIN.
    It's no one's fault but your own for not understanding what you read and post about. The standards were in a link/quote about the NAFTA deal.

    And yes, I am for globalism now, 25 yrs after the NAFTA deal.
    The world is now doing business all over the world, with each other.
    That will only grow, it will not contract to each country only doing business with themselves.

    As I said, the USA can lead, follow, or sit out trading with the rest of the world.
     
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    The answer is simple. Profits.
    The American worker losing their jobs ended about a decade ago. If you haven't noticed, the economy has been a near full employment for several years now.

    You didn't worry about jobs being lost 25 yrs ago when you supported NAFTA.
     
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    When you are confused and unclear blame yourself first
     
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    "The Reason China Will Beat America"

    Trump?
     
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    No, I get your point. And I do agree to an extent. My point is to question whether all this technology is really driven by consumer demand or are technology industries leading us down a path to dependence on the pretty lights technology is offering with accountability to consumers.

    Consider when the entire world is digitized down to the micro-meter and what that could mean for individual freedom and privacy. Consider what that could mean for full spectrum dominance by corporate state and military actors - especially when armies in the future will robotic and bombing strikes completely machine based and devoid of human judgement or repercussion.

    We are probably a decade away from this reality.

    Jetboy was trying to make the point that Steve Jobs was actually doing something beneficial for the whole human race by introducing iphones and that should excuse him from doing anything altruistic with all his money- which is somehow evil - really?

    My point is that corporate actors serve only to create profit and that for every new technology there are benefits and drawbacks.

    The consequences of surrendering our privacy and autonomy to all this new digital technology is not yet fully understood but I guarantee that there will be consequences.
     
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    They better, they don't have a choice unless they want to disappear into one of China's black site prisons.
     
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    Hmmm? Longer, healthier, wealthier, happier lives? So far, so good.
     
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    BooHoo
     
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    iphones did all this????? :rolleyes:
     
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    Nope. The creative mind did, the reasoning being.
     
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    And yet:

    "The United States continued to move backward on human rights at home and abroad in the second year of President Donald Trump’s administration. With Trump’s Republican party controlling the legislative branch in 2018, his administration and Congress were able to pass laws, implement regulations, and carry out policies that violate or undermine human rights.

    Despite Trump signaling support for minimal reforms, his administration rolled back initiatives meant to reduce over-incarceration in the US, implemented an array of anti-immigration policies, and worked to undermine a national insurance program that helps Americans obtain affordable health care, including important reproductive care for women.

    The Trump administration also continued to support abusive governments abroad militarily, financially, and diplomatically. Though it has expressed support for some international initiatives aimed at sanctioning individuals and governments committing human rights abuses, overall administration policy undermined multilateral institutions and international judicial bodies seeking to hold people accountable for egregious human rights violations."

    https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/united-states


    Human Rights Watch says things may not be so rosy for everyone outside the bubble you are living in even with cellphones........:mobile:
     
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    The world is an ugly place, and both the Left and Right are responsible for their share of the ugliness.
    But yet....



    She has a point. Her bubble is a sin? I think not.

    You don’t fight ugliness with more ugliness, now do you?

    If one only sees the weeds, it’s easy to miss a rose.

    And if the human soul really wants to change the world for the good and beauty of life , then all they need do is think.

    I know this for sure, self-fulfillment will create beauty and good, one soul at a time; sacrificing that soul to humanity won’t. Case in point, Venezuela.
     
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    As a foreigner who cares nothing about Ametica boohoo is an understandable response
     
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    HRW is full of crap

    As are most leftwing front groups
     

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