The Reason China Will Beat America

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Thi is NOT a US internal forum for only US internal politics ... and also NOT a forum where only Americans are allowed to post about US topics!
    If you want to have such a forum, then YOU are at the wrong place and your try to make a censorship to non-Americans here, you can simply forget. So I recommend YOU to search another forum ... or accept that there are far other opinions outside your "La La Land" Believing AND that these persons like me have the RIGHT to post it here!

    Really ... If your postings here and those of several other Americans here ... then USA is really messed ... AND for me NATO is obsolete since YOU AMERICANS miss-use and abuse the NATO for your OWN INTERESTS WHICH ARE NOT THE INTERESTS OF THE OTHERS!
    If you search a club of puppets who always say "Yes" ... then is NATO not this place!

    BUT because I stiill know that you have not yet got that your Trump is a big impudent liar woith the 2% demand of we evil Krauts have to invest NOW ... because the valid NATO agreement of Wales from 2014 tells that it is a duty from 2024 on .... I still know that it is likely wasted time to show YOU the real facts ... and NOT this rubbish you want to believe!

    Thats really sad to say ... but really true!
     
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    You can still post as you well know

    But inless you can lure some unsuspecting Americans to respond to you then you’re just talking to yourself
     
  3. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    You and some other for sure not ... and this is why I quote you very rarely at all, because I know that's wasted energy and time.... as far as I don't agree to you, then you make from time to time an exception!
     
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    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you
     
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    The only way China can win a trade war with America is if America is as weak willed as they believe and will run up the white flag at the slightest hint of pain. The left was there immediately but it remains to be seen if the rest of Anerica has the spine for this or will go wobbly and decide America is now China's piece of ass to enjoy at will.
     
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    Then get tRUMP and tRUMPers out of the way. For it was your side that put all those people on welfare of 2 nowhere jobs.
    Don't add more to the mix. We've had near 10 yrs of growth. Stay out of it. Your party f'd it up 10 yrs ago.
    The economy was going full up since 2009, now a recession may be looming as Rs have had the steering wheel for a while.
    The greatest recession ever told, happened the last time.
    The world doesn't need America RW BS politics. How sheeple follow that BS is beyond me.
     
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    Recessions do happen

    Its a natural occurance

    The reason 2009 was so bad was in part because we no longer had the manufacturing base to recover with

    And we still dont have it, but trump is working to bring factory jobs back to America
     
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    Humm, A preemptive excuse. :)
     
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    Recessions happen, but not the greatest ever in our history.
    Remember, your party sold out American workers. They created NAFTA. They destroyed unions every chance they got.
    Those jobs won't come back, I told you that already, there are many other low cost countries that they will move to.
    If they do come back they won't be high paying. High paying jobs were because of Unions. Something your party wants no part of.

    So I don't believe, your party now cares about American workers. For they are the ones who destroyed all those high paying jobs.
     
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    More a bad excuse ... and ironic it is too ...
    Remembers me to the topic of the Wall where Trump told countless times that Mexico will pay ... and who pays now, eh? Reaction of hte MAGA hat people ... a shrug! Stupidity on its way...
     
  11. Mac-7

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    Not at all

    If obama had not been so ignorant about economics in the private sector he could have pointed to the same reason for the slow recovery on his watch

    The manufacturing base was the goose thst laid the golden eggs that globalism killed
     
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    Clinton enacted NAFTA

    He is just as much to blame as the free trade repubs in congress were

    And not democrsts have embraced globslism so YOU are equally to blame now
     
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    It was unions in the mfg base that was the thrust of pvt sector good paying jobs.
    Your side has killed Unions.
    Those jobs that might come back, will not be good paying jobs without unions that you don't want.
     
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    Unions were big in the north but not in Right-to-work states

    And what good is a union for factory workers when the jobs move to mexico or china?

    The answer is the union is good for nothing
     
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    As your RW middle class killing party.
     
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    The democrats are no better

    Only trump cares abput average American workers
     
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    Lovely writing. If you haven't you should check out the doc "Gonzo: The life and work of Dr. Hunter S. Thompson". Best doc about his life hands down. I don't revere him as some mythical creature as some do, but I do appreciate the tenacity it took to do what he did. Plus he had the constitution of a horse.
     
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    Well, we agree on something, The D's don't care about workers and the R's don't care about workers.
    It's why I am NOT D or R.
    Why are you?
    Isn't the 2 parties destroying Middle America enough to get you away from the frauds of the 2 parties?

    tRUMP is a lying POS who cares about nothing but his ego. Spare me that sheeple BS.
     
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    I am a repub because its easier to change policy from within than on the sidelines
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Bad policy isn't something one should be shooting for.
    We don't need another great recession.
    Be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem.
     
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    I once thought there was some merit in your argument. Then I thought, how could I verify that imports caused the decline in American manufacturing jobs. So I made this chart.
    What I saw was a big surprise.
    upload_2019-6-27_10-58-13.png
    Manufacturing jobs dropped by almost 4 million, even as imports were flat. Then jobs leveled out as imports soared.
    So me thinks your argument is full of poo poo.
     
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    You have zero influence over policy - either good or bad
     
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    I am sorry to lose you

    If you visit the abandoned factories - mostly in the north btw - and visit the blighted and declining neighborhoods surrounding them you will instictively know that something has changed

    And then tune in to the celebration over the chinese economic miracle powered by the very maufacturing jobs that used to be in America

    Then make up your mind
     
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    I have no doubt those jobs are gone. But I can't blame China for much of it.
    If the actual production was lost this chart would not look like this.
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    Somehow we produce a lot more stuff with a lot fewer people.
    How do you blame that on China?
    To quote some politician. It's the automation stupid. :)
    How many jobs do you think these will eliminate?

    [​IMG]
     
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    I indrstand automation

    But the former American products being made in china are being produced by humans not machines
     
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