The Reason China Will Beat America

Discussion in 'United States' started by Mac-7, Jun 5, 2019.

  1. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    10,394
    Likes Received:
    3,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Republicans think you should just take on a third job. It's their $15 minimum wage - 3 five dollar an hour jobs.
     
  2. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think workers should get a fair wage

    Unions do that

    But companies have to get a fair return for the wages they pay and sometimes unions prevent that

    I want to limit imports from low wage countries and also limit how many dirt poor foreigners enter the labor pool

    Those two changes will raise wages for American workers
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2019
  3. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    When labor is scarce wages rise

    As for the $2,000 I dont think so
     
  4. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    10,394
    Likes Received:
    3,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I know!
    Let's have Trump build a city in West Texas that can hold a million illegal immigrants. Then they could assemble iPhones. :)

    If these tariffs are working so good, why did Trump remove the ones on steel?
     
  5. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    America has had tariffs since we were a republic

    Were we a marxist nation all these years but didnt know until you discovered it?
     
  6. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    10,394
    Likes Received:
    3,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Government forcing business to do what it wants is at least socialist - kind of borders on communist.
     
    James Evans likes this.
  7. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,505
    Likes Received:
    6,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What is more tiring is thinking high paying jobs will return to USA. Why would they, those companies will not be competitive. The capitalist way is to make a product as low cost as possible with high quality.

    AI is here to stay and become more prevalent. Not in our lifetimes but in our kids or grandkids lifetime, AI will replace many more jobs. Just as automation has been doing for 100 yrs already.
    And for those jobs that may leave China due to wages/tariffs/etc, there are many other countries that still have very very low wages. That is where the companies will set up jobs to remain competitive or beat their competition.

    If you want robots to be speaking English, you better get on board with globalisation and not be the one spouting sitting out the future.
    We need to be leaders in globalizing, not sitting on the sidelines protecting our little part of the world.
     
    James Evans likes this.
  8. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,505
    Likes Received:
    6,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL. It's you pushing to sit on the sidelines while the world shrinks and works together to bring products to market.
    I didn't sit on the sidelines when I voted Perot.
    You didn't sit on the sidelines when you vote Bush I, but you did succeed and made many jobs leave the country.
     
  9. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,505
    Likes Received:
    6,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    R's were killing unions, why would hard working people who wanted good paying jobs go R?
    Having said that, I also know as how most things go, Unions got to big for their britches and go greedy just as corps or gov'ts do. Or any thing humans get into, for greed is a part of humanity.
     
  10. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Maybe so

    As long as they are all men unaccompanied by their family

    Let them go home on the weekends
     
  11. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The unions were killing themselves

    Whenever workers were not forced by law to join the union they declined to do so

    And in states like michigan were workers had to join the union the companies were forced put of business

    The free market for labor is a better abritrator of wages
     
  12. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You voted for perot

    BUt after dropping out and then getting back in he had no realistic chance to win

    So you did throw away your vote
     
  13. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Business does not have to manufacture in America

    But imported items will carry the tariff
     
  14. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I dont object to AI or less advanced robots

    But why you prefer those robots be built in china and working china is a mystery to me

    You are surrendering the American lead in technology to our greatest enemy
     
  15. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    10,394
    Likes Received:
    3,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Socialist.
     
    James Evans and dairyair like this.
  16. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,505
    Likes Received:
    6,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Says the guy cheering tariffs. LOL!
     
    James Evans likes this.
  17. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,505
    Likes Received:
    6,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wow. How sexist. Only men allowed to work.
     
    James Evans likes this.
  18. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    47,505
    Likes Received:
    6,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And your vote threw American workers and middle class away.
     
  19. RoddyMC

    RoddyMC Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2019
    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    I have spent time in China. The place is a mess.
     
    Nonnie likes this.
  20. James Evans

    James Evans Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2018
    Messages:
    2,057
    Likes Received:
    858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Great idea. Let's fund research into AI and alternative energy and make it like a "moon shot". Let's join the race that other countries are already in and lead.

    A good leader could get all of America to get behind it. It would attract talent in these fields and create jobs. Our country could lead again. And as far as jobs, the democrats would be all for an infrastructure bill that didn't have a poison pill in it. Repubs are not playing in good faith at all. It's repugnant.
     
    dairyair likes this.
  21. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Were the Founding Fathers socialists?

    No

    BUt they had tariffs
     
  22. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Men cant get pregnant and drop anchor babies at the public hospital
     
  23. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And now you refuse to bring those jobs back

    You are anti trump which is just as partisan as being pro trump

    If a democrat were trying to bring jobs back to America you would be cheering them on
     
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2019
  24. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    10,394
    Likes Received:
    3,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The founding fathers used tariffs to protect business.
    What you are proposing is forcing American companies to move back here and lose money.
    That is gov't. trying to control business not protect it.
    Socialist.
     
  25. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    85,022
    Likes Received:
    16,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Its the same thing

    Lowering tariffs removed protection for US workers and forced companies go to china

    Raising tariffs brings jobs back to America
     

Share This Page