The Reason China Will Beat America

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    We did make cell phones in the US prior to the free trade agreements

    But you raise an interesting question

    Would we, should we put tariffs on South Korea also?

    And I dont have a pat answer for that
     
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    You would have to since they would be so much cheaper.
    But it doesn't matter because Apple would be out of business.
    See link above.
     
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    Of course the US is not the only country to buy iphones. We only buy about 60%. So Apple would lose the other 40% because of the increased price compared to the competition.
     
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    So what do you think? Should we pay some students while they go to school - maybe pay for their school? Then maybe he could bring them back and only lose 40% of his business? Sorry, I still don't like it. Then what do we do for all the other stuff (it's called supply chain) we don't build.
    Maybe we could do what China has done and build an entire city to support Apple. Hmm. We might need to raise taxes to do that. The Republican'ts would never go for it.
     
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    Isn't beating anyone in trade against the whole idea? Somebody gets rid of something they don't want and gets something they do but so does the other guy. It's a TRADE. The very essence of win/win i was always told

    Tariffs view the whole thing in the wrong way, so do trade wars and all that other ****. And no, that's not utopian or "woke" or anything. That's the way things actually are, that's CAPITALISM.
     
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    Dont believe everything you hear from self-serving businessmen

    No way
    I know you want a world without struggle where everything is easy and simple

    Maybe the guaranteed income for everyone that the democrats are dangling before the voters is your cup of tea

    But that world will never exist

    If our nation has to relearn skills that were forgotten due to stupid trade policies we better do it or else become a 2nd rate banana republic selling only raw materials to china
     
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    No, I see a world where people do what they can do best and compete in a global economy. Then we can trade for things we don't do well or don't want to do.
    And yes, I see some kind of guaranteed income in the future as more and more is done by machines. How do you see it? 300 million people sewing baseballs?
    Maybe we need to subsidize education, so Americans can afford to be trained. Oh wait. That's China that does that.
     
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    For America you are talking about forfeting the game before it even starts

    How can we compete if all the skills are in china and we are just consumers of what china produces?

    You are dreaming if you think the would is going to keep honoring our credit card forever
     
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    If so most of those people will end up as dopers on pot or meth and of no use to anyone
     
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    We can compete by doing a lot of the same things they are doing. We could make school more affordable. We could pass a Medicare option to save people maybe a trillion dollars. We could subsidize key technology like 5G to speed it up instead of trying to slow China down.
    Whenever you are trying to make them less competitive instead of making us more competitive you are going to lose, because even when you think you have won you don't get anything extra.
     
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    Maybe. But at least they will have a tent instead of sleeping in a carboard box.
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    Yes, by lowering tuition at public universities

    But as tim cook poinred out we are losing the ability to make things we need in America and that is a serious problem
     
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    Thats your big idea?

    Free tents for dope heads?

    If you see pictures of uber liberal seattle or san franciso many of the street bums already have a tent

    Its where the rats sleep when they arent rummaging through the garbage
     
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    Well, as automation puts them on the street what are you going to do?
     
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    Learn to build, service and operate robots

    Or do you want all that in china too?
     
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    So get behind your favorite Democrat and push. :)
    There are several pushing free 2 year college.
     
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    In case you haven't noticed, robots replace a lot more people than are needed to service and operate them.
    And no. I would like us to do that.

    1. Decide to keep humans in the mix with robots
    The likelihood is that government will have to take the lead. "Government will have to step up, a political leader who sees a threat to his own political power
    2. Initiate aggressive, long-term job training and upskilling
    Government should take the lead, but companies need to revive traditional practices of training new workers.
    3. Award low-interest education loans, and forgive debt
    "In China, the state is leading in establishing new training centers in schools,"
    4. Aggressively fund research in AI, robotics and quantum computing

    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-pushes-automation-robots-united-states-stalls-2018-12
     
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    If we are cursed with one of the clowns in the democrat field I hope he is sincere about jobs

    But all they are promising is what seems to attract you - a free ride for everyone
     
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    How is it they describe insanity?
    Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
    Do you see kids pouring into 2 year schools?
     
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    I see as a dyed in the wool lib you want government to make all the decisions

    But what I want from government is tariffs on chinese products and other cheap labor countries

    Then the market can best decide how to fill the deman through Made in America
     
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    Post 697 was your best one.
    You got nothing.
     
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    Why not simply force US companies to produce X% of their product stateside? Instead of tariffs?
     

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