The reason why Pelosi won't negotiate on the wall

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Wrong negotiation. Trump wants wall money she wants the government open Trump has sweetened the pot.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Yes by all means do what Republicans have always done in the past, throw away his best bargaining chip with nothing but promises that will never be kept in return. We've been caught in that stupid game off and on since Reagan. It is about time some one had balls enough to tell the lying Dems HELL NO.
     
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    LOL, Actually that pot was handed to us by the courts. He can piss on his temporary DACA protection. She will continue to send the same bills back periodically for McConnell to explain as 'futile' when they won the unanimous support of his own caucus. Its his caucus that has shown cracks, not Pelosi's.
     
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    Ignoring the reality that Trump actually won a solid 50 votes in the Senate (plus Pence) in the 2018 election that he didn't have before the election.

    Winning the House was not as tactically significant as Trump helping to win the Senate seats that he now has in his pocket.

    Your comment about, "cracks," is ridiculous considering the reality that Trump can veto anything he gets handed to him from Congress.

    The DACA issue is not all that important to the heartland. Another bargaining chip can easily replace it.

    The longer the shutdown continues, the more likely it will be that Trump cruises to an easy win in 2020. Just watch!
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the republicans don't get their wall, then the democrats don't get DACA. Sounds like a two-way street to me. The problem seems to me is that by trump's viewpoint, negotiating is this: he proposes, the dems accept so I don't blame the dems for not being weary of bargaining with him since nothing will get done and that's not the way negotiating is supposed to work.

    Remember, trump takes full responsibility for this shutdown, something which he is "very proud of". So the shutdown is his doing and not the democrats fault.
     
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    Trump feels the Democrats should come to the table and negotiate a compromise. He and McConnell are making a fundamental assumption. They are assuming both sides agree that Trump's wall is beneficial, and, therefore, the only issue is negotiating a compromise, a price.

    That assumption is blatantly false. It has been from the very beginning, and Trump is incapable of understanding that. The Democrats, many Republicans in Congress, and the majority of the American people feel a border wall is essentially a bad idea. There are modern methods that are far more effective at making our border secure at less cost.

    Trump offered to give Democrats a three-year extension of work permits for 700,000 DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) recipients and 300,000 Temporary Protected Status immigrants in exchange for $5.7 billion for 230 miles of physical barriers on the Southern border.

    Trump made hostages of these people. Now he wants to use them as bargaining chips. Trump honestly thinks this is how America should be governed.

    This man should be removed from power. He is dangerous.

    But his fans love him.

    You know, I just can't understand that. Hard to believe they are Americans. I am sure some are not.
     
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    Well, that was a non answer.
     
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    Yes, I've seen them and none of them are correct. Again, just spin.
     
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    Yes, it was her AND Rush. Who wouldn't cave with that kind of "pressure".
     
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    Not familiar with analogies eh?
     
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    Yes, but you, I'm not so sure.
     
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    Again sir that will change if Trump continues to make offers and Dems do nothing other than reject them.
     
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    Not why he never intended to sign. And there is no evidence worthy of the name that he did.
     
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    2020 looms and it will change however much you wish other wise.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If trump makes a reasonable offer, there is no reason why the democrats would not give due consideration to it, but he has to be serious when he makes an counter proposal otherwise like all of his previous overtures, it'll be rejected.
     
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    wanted to spend 26Billiopn on a wall during the Obama years - I'm a bit confused - are you saying it was not immoral then, but it is immoral now?
    Pelosi wanted to spend 26 Billion on a wall during the Obama years - I'm a bit confused - are you saying it was not immoral then, but it is immoral now?

    How about the truth - Pelosi is a power hungry hack who hates President Trump and will do and say anything to deny him any kind of a success.

    Here is another fact - if President Trump backs down on this shutdown, he will effectively destroy any chance he has for re-election and will have completed the destruction of the Republican Party.
     

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    Wrong as usual the problem is that the Dems will go to the mat on this because they view good security on the southern border as a threat to their power. That is all this is about, political power.There only hope for turning Texas red is a wide open Southern border. I've said it before and I'll say it again, If Latino's voted 70% Republican The Dems would ahve built that 2000 mile wall and backed it with machineguns and minefields.
     
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    The Senate will hold competing votes Thursday on Trump’s proposal to spend $5.7 billion on a border wall and on a Democratic bill that would fund the government through Feb. 8 without a wall, marking the first time the Senate has stepped off the sidelines to try to end the month-long government shutdown. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is endorsing Trump's proposal for the wall. Of course, he is not endorsing the bill put forth by the Democrats.

    The Democratic bill is remarkably similar to a bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in December with Trump's commitment to sign it. Trump changed his mind the next day because Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity didn't like it. The Democratic bill will reopen the government until February 8, put the federal workers back to work, and provide them with their back pay while encouraging both sides to come together and try to come up with a compromise.

    The Democratic bill is remarkably similar to Republican Senator Lindsey Graham's ideas. “Before he pulls the plug on the legislative option, and I think we’re almost there, I would urge him to open up the government for a short period of time, like three weeks, before he pulls the plug, see if we can get a deal,” the South Carolina Republican said. “If we can’t at the end of three weeks, all bets are off.”

    Wouldn't it be something if the Senate passed the Democratic House bill, and failed to pass Trump's bill? Wouldn't that be hoot. Actually, they did. They just have to do it again.

    After all, who controls the Senate? Republican Senators or Trump?
     
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    NOt hardly, this is about future political power for Schumer et al. There is no offer Trump can make that will actually enhance border security that the Dems will accept and they will of course like like dogs about any offer Trump makes.
     
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    What's your evidence that Trump ever intended to sign it?
     
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    That is pure nonsense. The Democrats strongly support border security. They just think that a medieval wall is not the way to curtail illegal immigration.

    In 2013, every Democrat in the Senate voted for a $43B bill that provided border security. The Republican House killed it. Early in 2018, the Democrats agreed to $25B for Trump's wall. Trump killed the deal.

    You should start examining where your loyalties are. Spouting Trump's lies gets you nowhere.
     
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    Unlike you, I believe that a deal can be struck if both sides find some common ground. Right now the republicans must work with democrats and end the shutdown, then work with democrats to find common ground; if not, then neither side will achieve their goals of the wall/DACA.
     
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    You don't know that? Geez!

    Do you think Trump's lapdog, McConnell, would schedule a vote without certainly that Trump would sign it? Where have you been the last two years. Double geez!

    On Wednesday, December 19, Vice President Mike Pence told Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn that Trump would sign “a clean CR.” https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ending-bill-wall-funding-border-security.html

    Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn has just emerged from a lunch on Capitol Hill with Vice President Mike Pence and told CNN that President Trump will sign the clean Continuing Resolution to keep the government funded through Feb. 8.

    “He will sign a clean CR,” Cornyn told CNN. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...ember-2018/h_c12aab5264720c389f23117dd8e629c0

    Trump always has someone else do the dirty work for him. In this way, he has the option of deniability.

    That pertains to all matters regarding Trump from collaboration with Russia, paying off a porn star and a Playboy bunny, to sending poor, dumb Pence to tell McConnell he was backtracking again.

    Then Trump changed his mind on Thursday after hearing from Coulter, Limbaugh, and Hannity.
     
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    McConnell is Trump's lap dog to the same extent you are pure blood great dane. McConnell assumed Trump would sign the surrender document just as every other Republican president for the last 30 years has. It was after all only a formality. He got surprised just as the rest of official Washington got surprised. Though Frankly you boys should have learned by now to never take anything regarding Trump for granted. That's the reason for his petulant comment about not going to waste time sending stuff to the white house that Trump will not sign. I'll be surprised if either one gets 51 votes. If however the Republican back one does it would seem to be close enough to the bill passed in the house in late December that it could go straight to the presidents desk and won't that be fun...
     
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    The Dems will accept no common ground that includes real border security the only bill you'll get that the Dem's will accept is a whole sale surrender by the Republicans.
     

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