The reason why Pelosi won't negotiate on the wall

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  1. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, either way we won't know for sure unless an offer and serious bargaining is conducted by both sides. I believe the dems will ultimately compromise if they get DACA because they want it that badly, therefore it stands to reason that the republicans will get monies for security, technology, etc.
     
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    Then why have they already spurned it twice?
     
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    No evidence other than common knowledge? Coulter admitted it.
     
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    To answer your question one would have to the workings of an insane mind. I feel you are more qualified than I to answer that.
     
  5. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the offer isn't good enough; all trump offered was basically bread crumbs and the offer will have to be much better to get consideration from the democrats. I think the dems want permanency as opposed to a temporary three year deal.
     
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    If I had my druthers, I would have preferred to take the Senate ( judicial nominations and treaties are under their watchful eye) but the gain of two seats, is easy to dislodge in 2020, considering the Pubs will be playing defense a lot more often than they had to in 2018. For this purpose like most budgetary and investigatory purposes, the House is has more clout than the Senate . Yes Trump can veto his own party's bills, but that will further divide a party already cloven in half between establishment Pubs and Trumpsters. Sure you can find another offer besides DACA,, but your problem is that it is going to have to be a very sweet deal for Dems to cave when polls are showing Americans blame Trump and any such deal will lose the hardliners in the republican caucus.

    Trump has to be very careful that his poll numbers don't drop too much or there is little down side to impeachment hearings. If he cannot get the govt running, and he keeps ticking off the only major impediment to impeachment hearings ( Pelosi), She may no longer commit to stopping that process.
     
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    Dems had the deal of their dreams two years ago: 1.8 billion approved for 25 billion. They refused that deal. Refused this deal(well, the Senate's still in the process of putting it on the table for the House Dems.). Look, the 'wall' is NOT worth suffering 800 K workers. Put your tantrum aside, for a SECOND and just put the damn thing there.

    You'd think we'd be discussing the Enabling Act and some major human rights violation or something.
     
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    The grifter-in-thief only offered to put back what he took away. A shell game that only really obtuse people cannot see right through.
     
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    They've been calling him literal Hitler for Years, how can they negotiate with Hitler?
     
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    You understand the concept of smoke and mirrors?
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    That's all he can legally do. Anything else takes legislation. And that happed because dems refused to negotiate last time
     
  12. MAGA

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    Does your house have medieval walls? Why? Because they work. That's why.

    People walking on medieval feet or in cars riding on medieval wheels are stopped by medieval walls routinely. That's why the 4 solid wall systems currently on the Southern border are all over 90% effective.

    Trump wants a wall because they work.

    Democrats oppose a wall because they work.
     
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    Trump only wants a wall to placate his base.

    If he gets his wall he'll be boasting about how He's the Greatest Negotiator since Nelson Mandela.

    Would a racist say that ?
     
  14. MAGA

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    Duhh. His base wants border security.

    The fact that you have to play the race card shows you have no serious argument.
     
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    The reason is as simple as why a cartoon character like Bugs Bunny
    keeps defeating Elmer Fudd.Or why the Roadrunner can pull pranks'
    and just " beep beep " off into the sunset.
    Because somehow,some way Politics has turned into a cartoon.
    It's why they'll never been another Good Liberal Democrat like
    a Daniel Patrick Moynihan or Bill Bradley.Because Politics is now
    a game being used to " transform " both We the People and also
    enrichen those playing it.Pelosi and Feinstein being great examples
    of how Pols become rich in Government.meaning's it's no longer
    about civic pride and duty.Plus with a Corrupted MSM,those Liberals
    are afforded The Ultimate Degree of Poetic License.Making it near
    Impossible to get s straight answer from Today's Democrat.
    Michele Bachmann tried and was hounded daily.Big Little
    Man John McCain was never up to the task.He liked being
    called a " Maverick " too much.Same with Mitt Romney.
    As long as the deck is stacked to the nth degree in favor of
    Democrats,there will always be trouble a brewin' for the
    opposition party { GOP }. Until that one sided bubble is burst,
    then Heaven Forbid.Donald Trump is trying to burst that bubble.
    He May succeed.Trump is not one to cower and play it safe like'
    a John McCain.But when the culture has been Hijacked,the way the
    Radicals and Democrats have been attempting since the 6o's
    it's truly an uphill battle.
    I think Abortion is now considered gauche.Or passe.
    That's a start.Dimocrats know it.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The time for the Law of Diminshing Democrats is fastly approaching.
    Used to be Fasting happened during Lent.
    That was Then ,... This is Now.
     
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    Translation: No evidence.
     
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    I'm sure you understand it is a misstatement of fact to suggest the Dems do not, right?
     
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    What the Democrats want most is the WH in 2020.

    Whining about DACA probably helps them more than giving Trump 1/2 of the credit for passing it.

    More importantly, the wacko left puts denying Trump a victory on the wall above DACA or anything else.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because it's what The Democrat Party has become.
    They are the Obstructionist.That was the word used almost every
    hour of the day a few years ago by Reid and Schumer and Pelosi
    when talking about their opposition party ... The Republicans.
    Republicans need to replay that for Joe American.
    Humans have flawed memories.
    Democrats are the Immoral Party.It is abundantly true.
    How Moral are Abortions on Demand.Or constant name-calling.
    Or supporting Protestors like - Occupy Wall Street - then BlackLivesMatter
    then onto Antifa.Those aren't protests.They are Radical Movements to
    undermine the Middle Class and American Dream.
    If someone would have foretold back in the late 50's
    there'd be a day when a Newly Elected President was being
    roundly Protested against during his Inauguration ... that
    foretelling would be considered Insane.Not Rational.Surely
    an Impossibility.
    Which is where we, as Americans, are today.In a World of Sh!t Created
    by the New Democrat Party.
     
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    No, but I do know Democrats oppose border security.

    The Democrats actions speak louder than their words.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Today's Democrat is not rational.So why bother treating them as if
    they are.It may be what they crave.Like a bratty grade schooler
    looking to get attention in class.Therefore a class clown.
    I think the Country has seen and heard quite enough from these
    Democrat class clowns.
     
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    I'm glad you cleared up what you believe cuz there really is no point in discussing things with someone who refuses to accept objective facts. I regret to say it's an all too common trait among Trumpers. Have a good day.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The term " objective fact " is a misnomer.A Fact is Factual,regardless
    of the word " objective ". The object of being a Fact,is to be truthful and
    real.You are subjectively being disingenuous.Like how using the
    technique of " Gaslighting " can work wonders.It's Trickery,anyway it's
    sliced.Or Diced.
    Keep in mind ... " God does not play Dice ".
     
  25. MAGA

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    At least you made a minimal effort at an adult response.
     

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