The Religion of Atheism

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  1. CourtJester

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    if god is not dualistic one would assume religion would not be dualistic either. Or do you separate the two?

    " The very fact that you percieve Reality through the prism of duality is enough to explain your profound ignorance on the subject of "what is." God is One, and nature must reflect this. God is not dualistic, and thus there really is no good or bad. "
     
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    It is a rigorous process that culminates in the epiphanic realization that one isn't defined by his material mental makeup. Indeed, every human is born and affected with circumstances in his childhood that result in any given individual thinking a particual way, and acting accordingly on those thoughts. Indeed, for what is man but his memories and collection of thoughts? For example, males who grow up with a troubled relationship with their father (or no father for that matter) exhibit deep and repressed anger, which manifests sometimes in explosive episodes.

    But if that angry individual were to look within himself, then he would discover what all the ancient religions (from Buddhism to Islam) have always taught- that the Truth is in all mankind, and that man is not what his material ego insists he is. Man is simply who he is; he is neither his memories nor is he his thoughts. Indeed, he has the power to create his own thoughts; and thus create his own personality...and concurrently create his own reality. Indeed, for what is reality but man's own reflection?

    This is what is meant to "know thyself," and only by knowing oneself can man know God, for the spirit of man is but a hyper-reduced version of God. This is precisely what man being created in God's own image means.
     
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    This is unless one believes in the encapsulation of Oneness in a specific religion.
     
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    Well Christianity must have changed a lot since my confirmation. Always thought god was a trinity. Father, son, and holy ghost and all that.
     
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    Well of course anyone can make up their own religion. Thry are all made up to start with anyway.
     
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    Very true! But nothing is more entertaining than the religions atheists come up with and then claim they are not religions! Woohoo!


    Church of Satan

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    Not to be confused with The Satanic Temple.

    Church of Satan
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    Sigil of Baphomet, an official symbol of LaVeyan Satanism[1]

    Abbreviation CoS
    Type New religious movement (Satanism)
    Classification Atheistic Satanism
    Orientation LaVeyan Satanism
    Scripture The Satanic Bible
    Theology Egotheism
    Governance Priesthood
    Structure Cabal
    High Priest Peter H. Gilmore
    Associations Non-ecumenical
    Region International
    Headquarters Poughkeepsie, New York
    Founder Anton Szandor LaVey
    Origin April 30, 1966
    The Black House, San Francisco, California
    Separations First Satanic Church (1999), Temple of Set (1975)
    Members Not disclosed
    Other name(s) The Satanic Church
    Publications The Black Flame, The Cloven Hoof
    Official website www.churchofsatan.com

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    LaVeyan Satanism
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    The Church of Satan is a religious organization dedicated to Satanism as codified in The Satanic Bible.

    The Church of Satan was established at the Black House in San Francisco, California, on Walpurgisnacht, April 30, 1966, by Anton Szandor LaVey, who was the church's High Priest until his death in 1997. In 2001, Peter H. Gilmore was appointed to the position of high priest, and the church's headquarters were moved to Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, New York City.[2]

    The church does not believe in the Devil, nor a Christian or Islamic notion of Satan.[3] High priest Peter H. Gilmore describes its members as "skeptical atheists", embracing the Hebrew root of the word "Satan" as "adversary". The church views Satan as a positive archetype who represents pride, individualism, and enlightenment, and as a symbol of defiance against the Abrahamic faiths which LaVey criticized for what he saw as the suppression of humanity's natural instincts.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan


    Religion without a God.

    Atheism by definition is a religion!
     
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    Do you feel like you get a huge point by redefining what a religion is and then claiming atheism is a religion? Under the conventional definition of the word, atheism isn’t a religion. But sure you can move the goal posts so it fits what you define it as. But does it really matter?
     
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    But surely there must be only one way to worship the One; for if God were to have His creation know and love Him, the blueprint for this endeavor can only manifest in singular form. Yes, and the success of the experiment can be objectively verfied according to scientific criteria.
     
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    Really. Please post the scientific verification.
     
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    ...heh...like that's going to happen.
     
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    That is just a rehash of nonsense you previously posted. And since Satan is supernatural the Church of Satan has no relevence to athiesm
     
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    Could you be more specific? I think you meant to say "comprehensive", not "conclusive". Science operates under the assumptions that once there was no life, then there was. Also, that the formation of life occured by physical processes governed by natural, deterministic laws, as everything we know agrees with this. That's very conclusive, but not comprehensive.

    What is it you demand of science, specifically? What evidence would convince you of abiogenesis? You won't answer. Because you know the honest answer disqualifies you from any further rational discussion of this topic.
     
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    It being "conclusive" is highly debatable.

    You're wrong, I WILL answer! Evidence that would convince me of abiogenesis is evidence which leads the scientific world to be able to say that this is how life began!
     
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    Then debate it. I would love to hear your attempt at an alternative explanation. We all would. Otherwise....just another haughty, vapid claim on your part.

    That's a bit of a lie, or you would already accept abiogenesis. All the evidence available shows that every physical system and event is governed by deterministic, natural laws. All the evidence. Once there was no life, then rhere was life. Therefore, by all the evidence ever found, life formed via physical, deterministic processes.

    You are still free to say, "god did that!"...
     
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    I agree that every physical system and event is governed by deterministic, natural laws. This is very different to saying that something came from nothing.
     
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    Irrelevant. Abiogenesis does not require nor make such a claim. Please refrain from these charltan's tactics, like bait and switch.
     
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    I'm not switching anything! Did you not quote me saying this?:
     
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    Yes, that is what abiogenesis is. You are incoherent right now.
     
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    When I talk about the origin of life, I am talking about something coming from nothing.
     
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    That's your problem. I then predict you will wallow in confusion for the rest of your days. Because abiogenesis does not describe or require "something from nothing". It is just the name for the process of the formation of life.

    Just as "star formation" is the name given to the process of the formation of a star. Once there was no star, then there was a star. What happened in between? "Star formation".
     
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    The formation of life doesn't require something coming from nothing? Surely you can't be serious.

    What are you saying happened? By the way, have you just been banned?
     
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    Correct, it does not. Just as star formation does not require something from nothing. You're really having a hard time with this! Clearly you are outsmarting yourself.

    I just said star formation happened. What about that do you not get?

    I just came off a ban, apparently...
     
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    So how did the formation of life begin?

    I noticed under your name it says "banned." Strange that it remains after your ban finished.
     
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    How much detail are you looking for? The are only a few things we know to be true. We know that complex organics formed, and selection acted on them to form structures, like cell membranes. Just as, with star formation, we know that gravity collapse brought material closer together. These are effective theories, like gravity. We don't have to detail the actions of every molecule involved to explain the observations.
     
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    I agree with all of that. My point is focused on how it all begins.
     

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