The Remorseful: Are right-wingers who spread anti-vaxer propaganda shooting themselves in the foot?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, Trump saying to pack the churches was a mistake too
     
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    Uhhh yeah but your CDC is telling people even if they’re vaccinated they have to get masks. Furthermore they’re going to end up forcing children to vaccinate with a vaccine they can’t prove is safe long term.

    Good luck with the election lol
     
  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Exactly! You are "justifying" these people who put others at risk and are keeping our country from attaining herd immunity.

    That's the purpose of propaganda: to justify immoral behavior.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you believe we should get rid of speed limits and allow people to make their own choice as to what speed they drive?

    People should never be allowed to choose to put the life of other people at risk!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    People who don't pay attention to politics at all rarely vote.

    Are you not reading what you respond to? I'm talking about people who need to be hospitalized.

    If you're going to deny reality.. in fact, if you're not even going to READ reality, there is no hope of having a serious debate with you.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's all I need to know. The questions are just intended to discern between posters who are serious and those who just deny reality. You don't need to bother.
     
  8. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a totally absurd statement. It happens every time someone gets in a car. You could cross over a center line and kill a whole family. There are a practically unlimited number of perfectly normal human activities which put other people at risk.
     
  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    There you go! You confirm what I have always held is the reason the right is always wrong when they refer to matters dealing with sciences.

    "Confirm" is a term that scientists do not use to describe a conclusion. You can "confirm" an observation. But never a conclusion.

    It's not that right-wingers are dumb, or anything of the sort. But there is something about science that they just don't manage to grasp. A right-winger might accept a scientific conclusion. But they can't actually grasp it, for some reason. And this why every single time there is a disagreement between right wingers and... anybody else, the right winger is always wrong. I cannot think of a single exception to this rule.
     
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  10. Zorro

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    So what? Your claim is stili false.
    Do you read responses before you respond to them? 80% of the hospitalized in that event were vaccinated, 20% were not.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You make all these claims about your knowledge of science and then you make an absurd statement. If you cannot think of a single exception to this rule, it is because you do not actually think.
     
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    I know, you just make up whatever is useful to you, your "research" never happens.
     
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    Are you still trying to assert that "indicate" is a word associated with certainty?
     
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    That has nothing to do with "admitting" it. If you are a not a right-winger, it's likely you get your news from CNN or NYT or WaPo, or MSNBC... news media that is hammering into your head, day in and day out, that if you don't take the shot, not only are you in danger of dying, but you are putting everybody around you in danger of dying. So it's absolutely reasonable to assume that they will be much more likely to get the vaccine.

    You didn't get the point. IF most of the people who don't take the vaccine are Republicans, then it's quite likely that Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot. They lose voters. Not just because they die. But more because of "The Remorseful", as the OP describes.
     
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    No. I cannot agree with your 1st point so I stopped reading.
     
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    There aren’t many
    Well then I guess they are screwing themselves then. I don’t have anymore good rebuttals on the topic. Here’s to hoping people can follow the science Instead of whatever news they watch
     
  17. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you get in a car and you are a reckless driver, it happens. If you go out and you are a reckless citizen who refuses to get a vaccines, it also happens.

    In both cases laws must be enacted that punish you if you are reckless and put the life of others at risk.

    I agree.... there is no difference! Going to a crowded place without a vaccine is equivalent to driving a car when you have been drinking. Punishment should be equivalent also.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    "So what?" That's the topic of this thread. Focus!
     
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    You can put the authoritarian nature on the back burner for a little while but you can never hide it all the way it will come to the surface
     
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    It can happen without being a reckless driver. Like I said, it was a ridiculous statement. You are full of them.
     
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    Which is relatively rare. Just like it's very rare that somebody gets infected by somebody who is not a reckless citizen (i.e. got the shot). But there is not much we can do about those. But this is about those who are reckless.

    Funny how it shows that you just realized how your argument actually proves my point. Running away from it is your only way out, isn't it?
     
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    Some seem to mainly repeat things they have heard from others. As soon as they are hit with evidence that does not conform with their position, their responses do not interact with the new data. That is one of the signs of indoctrination rather than education. I don't know if you have ever tried to reason with a cult member, but the experience is similar. They have memorized things, and they watch for opportunities to drop their memorized statements, but, they have no ability to readjust their reasoning because they did not reason themselves into the position they are putting forward. So, you'll get a lot of stalls and diversions while they wait for whoever is formulating the points they are memorizing to give them new ones, until they do, they are rather helpless. The problem now is that the folks who are formulating the points they are repeating are pretty stumped.

    The proposition they have been putting forward are simply not being supported by the body of evidence that is developing.

    Here is what we know for sure:
    1. The FDA has not approved any of the vaccines because there is still too much uncertainty about their safety and effectiveness. That position remains well supported. The FDA's caution is serving it well. The close minded vaccinated are trying to pretend that it's merely a formality, but it is not. There are real valid questions about the safety and effectiveness of this vaccine, the FDA's caution is well placed and in fact, it may be the lack of caution by the vaccinated that's fueling part of the upsurge - that and Biden's dangerous and reckless open borders policies and his dumping of COVID infected in unsuspecting cities, who unaware, are not taking the necessary precautions to prevent them from spreading the disease.
    2. The Vaccine companies will NOT manufacture these vaccines without blanket immunity, because, there is great uncertainty about their safety and effectiveness. Their caution is serving them well. They are protecting their investor's interests.
    3. This not a traditional vaccine, rather, it's gene therapy being deployed as a vaccine. The body of evidence of how safe and effective this is continues to develop. Similarly, all those of us, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated that are continuing to exercise caution are serving ourselves and our communities well.

    New data: Two more studies show infected vaccinated people have viral loads similar to the unvaccinated...

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    The spike we are seeing now may be fully explained by carelessness by vaccinated and Biden's reckless policies with covid sick illegals.

    Careless Vaccinated Spread Infection:
    I think that developing these virus samples is done by repeating a growth cycle. The higher the initial virus count, the lower the cycle value to complete a positive test.
    Concept to take home. If you feel symptoms, whether you are vaccinated or not, stay the hell away from others.

    Now some additional data that puts a different spin on things:
    That's a good thing.
    And that's a good thing.
    [​IMG]
    So, if below 30 Ct is no longer infectious to others, post-vaccinated folks drop below 30 by 10 days and non-vaccinated don't hit it until 16 days, so, it appears to me that non-vaccinated ill, with Delta, need to quarantine longer than vaccinated ill.

    This looks positive for vaccines:

    [​IMG]
    https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021...loads-similar-to-the-unvaccinated-but-n405891
     
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    Fake news. I was posting in response to this claim by you:
    That is NOT the title of the thread. Focus!
     
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    I did not prove any point for you. You started out with this absolutely absurd statement. "People should never be allowed to choose to put the life of other people at risk!"
    "never" made your statement an absolute. There are no absolutes when it comes to vehicles and most other human endeavors. You persist in making these ridiculous statements.
     
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    The Remorseful: Are right-wingers who spread anti-vaxer propaganda shooting themselves in the foot?

    More likely those who believe them are shootiing themselves in the foot. The medical community is 100% consistent on the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines. People who listen to anti vaxxers instead of the medical community about medicine need a lesson in common sense. But fear is hard to overcome.
     

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