The Republican Presidential Candidate Democrats Should Fear

Everyone has the right to free speech.

 

So, you're a neocon.

 

I might have to question where you think the center is if you think Trump is close. That might be getting off topic though.

Dems and Libs are absolutely upholding capitalism. I say this as a person as a person who hates it.

 

No one said otherwise. But trying to overthrow our democratic elections and install oneself as an unelected leader, which is exactly what Trump attempted, isn't "centrist."

How does your desire for the Dems to win make me a neocon?

 

You mean like Hillary Clinton? George Soros? Barack Obama? All use capitalism to further their socialistic, er, anti-capitalist goals. In the end, all want to either see capitalism abolished of made subservient to other economic ideologies.

BTW, for example, communism didn't just popup out of nowhere in Czarist Russia. Communism gained steam in Czarist Russia by using the frameworks of that Russian imperialistic economic ideology to gain a foothold and later overthrow the imperialistic economic ideology of Czarist Russia.

 

Trying to goad me are you? You have a right to your uneducated opinion.

 

Trump was the most anti-capitalist GOP running. He's a protectionist.

 

You're a VERY trusting person.

 

You hate capitalism? You better be a democrat. Better yet, you hate anyone who has a favorable opinion of capitalism? You belong in the dem party.

 

Also, this person doesn't believe in democracy, for example.

 

You’re mistaken.

 

So, you're a neocon. Well, thank goodness the GOP believes in free speech (the dem party doesn't).

 

My responses are setting election fraud issues aside for a moment.

That I do, and I wholeheartedly believe that. However, Trump will not live forever so there needs to be people after him who will start taking up his nationalist pro-manufacturing pro-feasible-energy pro-worker economic policies, and his pro-peace America First pro-better-trade-deals foreign policies.

So far, nobody else has stepped up to the plate... So far, all that remains otherwise are the "Paul Ryan" and "Jeb!" types, and a large group of conservatives are no longer willing to vote for those Uniparty elitist globalist "eat the bugs" "cocktail Republican" losers anymore, even to the point of letting the party burn down to the ground. A question that is being asked increasingly more often these days: Who is John Galt?

Right. Unless they can expand the size of their base. Enter Trump (MAGA).

I agree, but I use different reasoning to come to that conclusion. With that said, The GOP does have a bit of a shot with Trump. They have absolutely ZERO shot without him.

... a small segment of Republicans, more than made up by the new "R" votes that Trump brings into the fray.

I was referring to the other candidates running against Trump, not to other typically Republican voters.

Democrats (and the Uniparty in extension) have been (and/or are even currently):

• Promoting, and even codifying, racism (especially anti-whiteism)
• Stealing $100+ billion (and rising) from taxpayers to fund the Ukraine grift and receiving kickbacks from it... "slava ukraini!"
• Stealing over $1 trillion from taxpayers to fund the Pfizer grift and receiving kickbacks from it... "two weeks to stop the spread!"
• Stealing over $1 trillion from taxpayers to fund the Climate grift and receiving kickbacks from it... "eat the bugs!"
• Condoning the performance of roughly a million (give or take) child murders every single year.
• Opening up our borders (especially the southern one) wide open for invaders to come in... to bring in diseases (e.g. measles), to bring in drugs (e.g. fentanyl), to take our jobs, etc... IOW, supporting invaders before supporting our own poor/homeless/mentally ill/addicted citizens who are in need.
• Promoting, and even codifying, mental illness (e.g. 'transgenderism', 'gender fluid', 'made up pronouns', etc.)
• Forced mask wearing, forced mRNA injections (or lose your job)
• Teaching racism (especially anti-whiteism) in our public schools that are funded by our tax dollars.
• Getting us into WWIII due to aforementioned Ukraine grift ("slava ukraini!")
• Sending our manufacturing jobs overseas instead of keeping them here due to bad trade policy and no protectionist policies against it... forcing us to be reliant on other countries for our essential needs.

This, and much much more, is all happening as we speak, and there are still people who actually care one single iota about Trump's (or anyone else's) PERSONALITY???? hahahahahahahahaha

Maybe if you count the invaders flooding through our southern border?? Even if true, it's irrelevant.

Not all of them hate Trump (such as the Obama/Trump voter that I referenced earlier). Many of them already "vote blue no matter who", just as a smaller but still sizeable chunk of Republicans "vote red no matter who". Politics is tribalism to such people, and that sort of thing can and does change over time. Do you also think that the media wouldn't smear DeSantis in the same way that they smear Trump and then their "hatred of DeSantis" would "draw them all out to vote against him"? --- You're focusing on stuff that doesn't matter much, if at all.

Ahhhh, the good ol' "swing voter"... IOW, the people who aren't tribalists... However, a sizeable chunk of "independents" are actually leftist tribalists, but they call themselves "independents" because they like the idea of being able to think for oneself, even though they don't actually do it. Another sizeable chunk of "independents" are actually conservatives who have defected from the Republican Party because they are sick of the RINO "cocktail Republican" BS and want somebody who actually represents THEM and THEIR interests.

Key word 'identifies'.

Right, and neither can Democrats. And Republicans, if they don't run Trump, WON'T get the majority of Independents. They will either sit out or, like me, write in Trump's name.

This is where election fraud comes in, and I can only respond to it by making reference to election fraud. Trump gained MANY millions of votes from 2016 to 2020... People LOVED him. However, the 'cheat machine' that wasn't ready for how well Trump would perform in 2016 was all ready to go in 2020... But even then, they still were losing on election night and had to shut down counting and buy time to come up with additional ballots for days after election night in numerous key states in order to deny Trump the Presidency that he rightfully was elected to by voters but was fraudulently denied due to illegal ballot harvesting and other election law violations. There's no way in hell that Biden legitimately received 81 million votes. If he were as popular as Obama, then 71 million votes would've been believable (75 million at absolute most)... but 81 million?! "C'mon man!"

... and if the "Never Trump/RINO" crowd manages to get DeSantis nominated, the Democrats will win the general... but Trump at least has A shot at winning, simply because he is a fighter meanwhile cocktail Republicans are not (because their goal is to grift money and they get the most money when they "lose").

It'll probably be Gavin Gruesom who gets (s)elected next.

Right, except in that case I will be purposely writing in Trump's name instead of refusing to vote. I see no reason to vote for a Uniparty candidate... I see no reason to keep up the pretense of "choice" that doesn't actually exist. I will instead go my own way and make an actual choice.

... you mean like the "Never Trump" crowd will be helping the Democrats win?

That's one thing RINOs are good at... talking against 'woke'. They got that down quite well. It serves as a distraction from their support of globalism, Chinese manufacturing, wars, and "eat the bugs".

... that we'd not have with Trump and WOULD have with any other Republican candidate.

... that we'd not have with Trump and WOULD have with any other Republican candidate.

This is also a Senate issue, not completely a President issue.

... that we'd not have with Trump and possibly wouldn't have with certain other Republican candidates.

... but not the "Never Trump" voters?? --- In reality, it is the Uniparty that is doing this, and if I'd point my finger at anybody, it would be towards the majority of people who continue to support and vote for Uniparty candidates instead of supporting and voting for their own best interests via a 2nd option via MAGA.

The only way out is the one thing that will not happen. DeSantis needs to stay out of the Presidential race and throw his support behind Trump. But he won't.

And if I may ask, why should Trump all of a sudden do this when the other Republican candidates refused to do so for him, after pledging to do so, back in 2016? You seem to forget about that little doozy.

... because he was the "R" candidate, because you are apparently a tribalist "R no matter who" voter.

... yet you don't want his policies to return again?

Nah... you're just being fooled by the RNC club because you don't see the strings yet.

The only difference between the two is being a "warrior against woke".

Does that get you affordable gas, groceries, energy, etc? Does that get manufacturing jobs to return? Does that keep us out of foreign wars? Does that get us good trade deals? Does that protect our nation's workers? Does that stop the "eat the bugs" agenda? Does that stop us funding a Ukrainian border rather than our own border? Does that stop us sending money to Ukraine, Pfizer, and "eat the bugs" rather than sending it to our own citizens who are poor, homeless, mentally ill, etc?

Idk about you, but my pocketbook has suffered greatly under Biden (after doing very well under Trump), and I want TRUMP'S policies back, not continued Uniparty policies...

QED of your tribalism.

 

Also, this person is mistaken about what type of government the USA had, for example.

 

... yet you deceptively left off the final paragraph of my post in which I generally explained my problem with him (he isn't a fighter). Stop being dishonest via omission.

 

Trump is a Blue Dog Democrat from the 80's.

Don't touch my Medicare/Social Security, trade deals should benefit American workers only, avoid pointless foreign conflicts.

You may regard that as extreme or far right, but it was well to the center for many decades, until the great awokening occurred.

 

The only one referring to a woke candidate is you.

 

I just follow the facts. I'm unimpressed by the whining excuses of losers.

 

This post and poster is the perfect example why the GOP is toast. Unfortunately for the GOP, there are too many trumpists in their own party that are ****ing them up. More than half the Country despise this posters hero and voted his traitorous ass out of office in 2020, yet the GOP still are willing to let Trump run their circus.

Thankfully sensible Americans can see right through trump and the GOP's horseshit and are done with them.

 

That's downright hilarious. You do you.

 

There is no "Ukraine grift."

 

I don't think the GOP is necessarily toast, but I believe the sun is setting on the Trumpers.

 

Well that's worth noting!

 

Truth stings a bit, huh? But whatever fantasy you wanna believe to help you cope, I'm all for bruh. LOL

 

I voted for Trump for many of the same reasons you did. I agreed with his policies that you listed that I highlighted in red. What I wanted more than anything else was a president who campaigned on those policies and who acted on them after he won the election. I got that in Trump. What I hadn't counted on was that Trump would, for four years, present as a bullying, thin-skinned child. And I knew that he was going to lose in 2024. I predicted it about half way through his term, pre-covid, even though the economy was good and we were at peace, having defeated ISIS.

There are certain hard realities about politics, and one of them is that people will vote against a candidate they do not like. I'm not saying that is a good reason, but that is the reality. Two good examples of that are the Hillary Clinton candidacy in 2016 and the Trump candidacy in 2020. Yes, I realize that Trump got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016, about 12 million more. But Biden got about 16 million more in 2020 than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. Why? Because Trump's juvenile, combative, unpresidential behavior energized the Democrats. In 2016, third party candidates garnered a little over 5% of the vote. But in 2020, third party candidates garnered less than 2% of the vote. Clearly, their votes went to Biden.

I agree that Independents consist (partially) of both left-leaning and right leaning voters. But I think many of them are middle of the road, and many of them don't want chaos in the White House. If you want to win an election, you must have those voters because their numbers virtually equal the size of registered Democrats and Republicans. In 2016, Trump won those voters 47-41%. But in 2020, he lost them 54-41%. He lost them even though Trump had pushed hard for a Covid vaccine, even though the economy had been great, even though we were at peace and had defeated ISIS, even though the border was under control, even though he had supported respect for the flag and the anthem, even though he had supported the police and law and order, even though he had signed a tax cut, even though we were implementing a fairer trade deal with China, even though NATO was starting to pay its fair share, and even though we were energy independent and a net exporter of energy. So why not vote for a man who had enjoyed so many successes? Again, I am not defending their reasons, but the reality is that they just didn't like him. I think they wanted a president who, in spite of political differences, was a unifier as much as that is possible. Someone you could like even if you didn't agree with everything. Ronald Reagan is a good example of such a president, and he won reelection in a landslide.

My personal opinion is that Trump is not legally responsible for the riot at the Capitol on January 6th. But I do think he is responsible for it short of criminal legal responsibility. You may agree or disagree with me, but that is not what I'm driving at. What I'm driving at is that his behavior leading up to January 6th and his behavior on that day sealed the deal against him for some Republicans and many Independents. It is history now, and nothing he can say or do can change it. There are now a large number of Republicans and Independents who will not support a man who was willing to provoke a constitutional crisis over his failure to win an election. It's irrelevant whether you agree or disagree with his actions after the election. The relevant fact is that too many voters will not vote for a man who is, to some degree in their view, responsible for the riot and who came close to creating a constitutional crisis.

So again, I'm telling you, he has no pathway to winning in 2024. My expectation is that he will take a scorched earth approach to his Republican opponents, alienating many Republicans. And if he is nominated, he will lose the general election by greater margins, perhaps far greater, than he did in 2020.

What I've seen from DeSantis is that he defends the best interests of his state, regardless of criticism. My impression is that he would do the same for the U.S. as president. In your mind, or in my mind, he may not be perfect. But he would be a damn site better than Biden, Harris, or Newsom. And with Trump as the Republican nominee in 2024, that's exactly who we're going to end up with - Joe "China" Biden, "Laughing Kamala", or the elitist progressive liberal Newsom.

The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of a Trump candidacy, and you are playing into their hands.

The only way out of this fate is to dump Trump and get behind someone else. If you cannot afford a $200,000 car, that doesn't mean you walk. Instead, you buy the best you can buy even if it isn't your dream car. If you can't afford a $1 million house, but you can afford a $500k house, you don't go live in the ghetto. You get the $500k house.

I'm with you on the issues. But I'm being realistic, and I just want the best for the Country I love.

Seth