The rise of anti-science

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  1. Diablo

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    All the people attacking and deriding science shouldn't use any of the products thereof: no meds, no computers, cars, aircraft, internet, phones, electricity; TV. They should go and live in the caves we had before smart people invented stuff.

    This place would be half empty.....
     
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    No, we just point out that you hand waive away evidence, ignore it entirely and pretend it was never given, or you just say “Nuh uh”. You have yet to provide a single shred of scientific evidence to support any of your assertions.
     
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    ..still distorting the thread to fit your narrative..

    It really doesn't matter what anyone says, or facts, or real science, to the religious devotees of 'Science!!'..:worship:..:worship:.. it will always be,

    'Defend our holy beliefs from the blasphemers!'

    Science Attackers and Deniers have invaded our Safe Space! We must drive them off! Whine to the moderators to close this thread, or move it to the religious section! This is for our beliefs, ONLY!! No alternative views are allowed!! :no:
     
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    The root of modern anti-science stems from a departure from Newtonian scientific methodology:

    hypothesize >> test >> observe >> repeat >> conclude

    ..to a statistical methodology that depends on plausibility and probability. No actual testing is done.. no experiments.. no lab coats.. no data.. just spin and number juggling, with the conclusion already presupposed. When you hear words like 'Quantum!', 'black holes', 'cosmic inflation', and other code words of pseudo science, (that is just statistical speculation), you know you're being sold the Brooklyn Bridge.

    There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics. ~Benjamin Disraeli

    'Possibility!' morphs into 'settled science!', when there are NO FACTS, NO DATA, and no repeatable, observable tests to be made. It is all based on conjecture, smoke and mirrors, and suggestion. It is not science, at all, but a pseudoscience religion, positing fantastic imaginations, and spinning them with techno babble & obfuscating terms, to dazzle the uninformed.

    Woodrow Wilson was one of the leading figures in the progressive movement, early last century.

    The influence from Darwin and the theory of universal common descent cannot be missed, and it was a major factor in his worldview.

    "..government is not a machine, but a living thing. It falls, not under the theory of the universe, but under the theory of organic life. It is accountable to Darwin, not to Newton." Woodrow Wilson.

    'Living political constitutions must be Darwinian in structure and in practice. Society is a living organism and must obey the laws of life, not of mechanics; it must develop. All the progressives ask or desire is permission—in an era when “development:... “evolution,” is the scientific word—to interpret the Constitution according to the Darwinian principle…' Woodrow Wilson

    Thus statistical plausibility, rather than hard scientific methodology, became mainstream, and replaced the Newtonian, logic based science.

    Of course, all technological advances, discoveries, and breakthroughs where 'science' brought positives for humanity were based on the Newtonian school of testing and observation. The Darwinian, statistical school only has theories, with no practical application, except to attack the fundamental values from the Enlightenment, and usher in a Brave New World of collectivism.
     
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    Gender identity is also a big one, now, along with guns. They changed the culture from 'man + woman = marriage,' in just a short time. During Obama's reign, we saw that unfold in real time. Both Hillary and Obama changed their tune, to adapt to (and advance) the new morality of the day..

    It is a juggernaut of cultural change, brought on by the progressive religion, with their roots in Marxist and Darwinist principles, and promoted exclusively by the left wing propaganda machine. It is accelerating, and I do not believe that Trump, or a dwindling, dying breed of traditional Americans, can stop it.

    In my lifetime i have witnessed this cultural transformation in many areas:

    1. Drugs are cool. Tune in, turn on, and drop out.
    2. Free love. AKA, sexual immorality. Inconsequential sex, for fun, with no repercussions. To enable that, we need:
    3. Abortion on demand. Kill the baby, so you can live the dream of inconsequential sex.
    4. Normalize homosexuality. Like many other values in America, this went from being despised, aberrant behavior to hip and trendy.
    5. Militant greenies. 'Save Mother Earth from the evil capitalists!' ..and to do that:
    6. Socialism is cool! A Marxist, collectivist utopia would solve everything!
    7. Choose your species/gender/identity.. Biological and genetic facts are irrelevant to the wishes and desires of the imagination.
    8. Guns are evil! They cause crime, and should be banned, so only the Benevolent State has them!

    Before I was born, the anti Creator movement was already underway. I was indoctrinated into atheistic naturalism, which is at the core of progressivism. It provided the amoral basis of that opened the pandora's box for all the other 'transformation!' changes.

    The timeline is easy to follow. One by one, traditional American values topple, like confederate statues, before the transforming juggernaut of progressive ideology.
     
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    To shorten this up... basically, people are making use of religion and calling it "science".
     
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    Off to the cave with you, infidel
     
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    The SS squads and their Nazi overlords are themselves a study in human pathology. What they thought up counts for absolutely nothing in biology - other than possibly their own pathology.
     
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    WTF? The SS squads are a study in human pathology, NOT in biology.
    Now you're just whining.

    The idea that scientists aren't testing hypotheses is silly.

    And, let's remember that evolution is a foundation of all modern biology - and it has been since the early 1900's, with natural selection being accepted by the 1930's if not before - in the US and around the world.
     
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    Beautiful post. Your regression experience closely parallels my own. The ONLY thing in your post I strongly disagree with is your very last sentence. Analyse your regression(s). Consider how accurate they are in terms of clothing, housing, horse transportation, etc. How realistic were they in terms of your modern everyday knowledge of that time period? In mine, the clothing was accurate down to the finest detail, in spite of the fact that I had absolutely no knowledge of fashions of the past. You've had the privilege of seeing vignettes from your soul's past life experiences, & they are wonderful. Plus, they magnified the pleasures & satisfactions you experienced with your young lady friend. How very wonderful. Don't devalue their truth or their impact by left-brained thinking & doubt. They are as real as you are real now in this incarnation. They are a part of who you are. They are proof that you are more than you think you are, based on any limited concept of self defined by one single lifetime. You have opened a window on a much larger self reality. Keep exploring & enjoy the journey! :):banana::applause:
     
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    "Western culture has had a lot of ups & downs over the last couple of centuries, but the anchor for it was the concept of an orderly world"

    "The SS squads and their Nazi overlords are themselves a study in human pathology. What they thought up counts for absolutely nothing in biology - other than possibly their own pathology. "

    This OP is about human pathology. Secret Nazi science was going to turn it all around while Berlin was surrounded by the Russians. The V2 Rocket or anything your little Nazi imagination could come up with, in Berlin. The New Age rejects everything from the Jews including Christianity. The SS was involved in a runic symbol cult. Actualy witness statements read aloud from SS men is about the race struggle for the superiority of their race, over obviously subhuman races. There is not even a pre-existing dialogue like this before Darwin. Here's your Darwin award. The Jews and all developed on some total other development plan. The Indo-Aryans "Somehow" migrate out of India. We're probably living in it right now.
     
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    Well, the Nazis got tossed on the junk heap, with the vast majority regretting they ever existed. So, I don't see how they support what usfan is proposing.

    And, looking at other of his posts I think you will find that it is HE who is attacking science

    I don't see evidence of science being deprecated from within today. We're not seeing any specific race or other grouping being attacked by science. And, I'm here on a regular basis pointing out that science does not have a way of even addressing religion one way or the other - which is clearly the position of science today.
     
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    I am defending true scientific methodology, as opposed to the junk science, pseudoscience, or anti-science that has become a religious belief. You cannot seem to distinguish between them, and see any critique of 'Science!!'.. :worship: ..:worship:.. as blasphemy! :cynic:

    That is why you demean and attack me, personally, rather than respond to my points. You launch into the canned defense mechanism, and repeat the mantra,

    'Atheists have science! Christians have religion!'

    It is a blockage for any rational discussion, and frustrates me, because you just chant your narrative, and ignore anything i say.

    It is par for the course, in dealing with progressive indoctrinees, and i accept the limitations built in to any forum debate on this topic.
     
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    LOL - you haven't made a case against science yet. You really haven't even tried. Your claim that testing is ignored, etc., comes with NO evidence and you claims of improper use of statistics are neither cited nor supported.

    And, your "atheists have science" nonsense has been refuted without comment by you.

    I've addressed your issues specifically.
     
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    Apparently we are witnessing a return to the 17th century use of the ampersand, as well, if it was ever used as a conjunctive between two words that are not otherwise linked.
     
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    Heh, check it out. :D
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-other-secrets.485891/page-27#post-1071163254

    4.5 years since she left, and out of the blue.
     
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    There are 2 kinds of 'science', and the distinction is often blurred:

    1. Newtonian, historical science, promoted during the scientific revolution, that is based on:

    Hypothesis >> test >> observe >> repeat >> conclude..

    ..this methodology is open to peer review and critical examination.

    2. Darwinian, statistical science of plausibility and probability.. the religion of 'science.':

    Hypothesize >> suggest plausible scenarios >> suggest odds that this happened >> declare it as 'settled science!' >> mandate conformity >> censure outliers..

    .. this system is the religion of science, not the historical methodology employed by the 'Giants', whose shoulders we stand on.

    The True Believers, who defend 'science' with jihadist zeal are defending the 'religious' science. Historical, newtonian science has no need of such defenders, and is ALWAYS open to scrutiny and questioning.

    When any questioning, criticism, alternate theories, or skepticism for some theory is met with howls of outrage, indignation, accusations of 'science hater!', 'Denier!', or other such religious defense mechanisms, then you know the issue is not Newtonian scientific methodology, but the Religion of 'science!' :worship: :worship: ..no questioning of the sacred tenets of faith are allowed, but religious indignation toward the blasphemers.

    The main areas where you see this 'version' of science deployed is:
    1. Global warming
    2. Universal common ancestry
    3. Big bang theory
    4. Ancient dates (millions and billions of years!)
    5. Biological identity (choose your gender/race/species!)
    6. The beginning of human life
    7. Medical decrees about 'health'

    There are others. Widespread Indoctrination from progressive run and controlled institutions have presented a united and constant barrage of propaganda, for these religious beliefs. True scientific methodology is abandoned, in favor of mandated homogeneity of belief, and constant reinforcement of the Narratives.

    “Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the individual who can labor in freedom.” ~Albert Einstein
     
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    My bold. Nothing to do with any religion, by any chance? You just dislike anything which contradicts your world view, so you make up spurious arguments to try and discredit it. You typing this stuff in your cave?
     
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    Re: The anti-science narrative:

    Creation is religion! Atheism is science!

    My rebuttal:
    1. There is a Reality.. either,
    • The universe is God made
    • The universe is godless
    2. Science is a method of discovery, to see which of these possibilities is most likely. It can only sort facts. It cannot conclude opinions.
    3. Science is NOT anti-God, or anti-creation, like the pseudoscience ideologues like to portray it.
    4. Opinions and beliefs, about these possibilities are not facts, or 'settled science!' They are personal conclusions, based on the information (or lack thereof) on hand.
    5. Dogmatically declaring a belief as 'proven fact!', only reveals indoctrination and/or bigotry. They are not facts, but beliefs.
    6. ANY belief/opinion about origins is inherently a religio/philosophical issue. Science can only plug the facts into either model, and WE decide which fits better.
    7. Excluding the possibility of creation by labeling it 'religion!', while labeling atheistic naturalism. 'Science!' is just progressive propaganda. ..anti-science..
    8. Lobbying to censor creationism as 'religion!', while pushing atheistic naturalism as 'science!', is just religious bigotry, promoting YOUR beliefs, and censoring the competition.
     
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    An ad hominem reply is not a logical rebuttal. It is a fallacy, and the resort of a poster who has abandoned science and reason.
     
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    Newtonian?!?! LOL! Newtonian physics was done by the late 1800s. The vast majority of the modern world depends heavily on the probability waves of quantum mechanics.

    Probability - the very heart of the most successful theory in the history of all science.

    A total fabrication. Provide direct evidence of your crackpot claim from a major scientific journal. You made this up or are simply repeating the mindless blather of the likes of Alex Jones and his human-fish babies.
     
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    An ad hominem reply is not a logical rebuttal. It is a fallacy, and the resort of a poster who has abandoned science and reason.
     
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    I do t understand why you throw out terms that you don’t know the meaning of? You’ve repeatedly been schooled on the meaning of ad hominem. But you repeatedly throw it out when you have no scientific rebuttal to what you are given.
     
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    An ad hominem reply is not a logical rebuttal. It is a fallacy, and the resort of a poster who has abandoned science and reason.
     
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    You don’t know what ad hominem means. You just throw it out when you can’t address the facts presented to you.


    refuted your use of ad him already
     

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