The root of the problem of school shootings.

While the mainstream media continues to talk about gun control, I don't hear anyone talking about how we address bullying in the schools and mental health? One Pennsylvania lawmaker is proposing legislation to fine the parents a certain amount of money if their child is caught bullying. I think this is a sensible idea and could go a long way to finally address this issue. If liberals want to talk about gun control, then have the debate with us about bullying. I get tired of hearing "kids will be kids" no this crap has to stop. The teachers and the principals are not doing a damn thing about it in their schools.

 

The left is happy to use this issue to push its anti-gun agenda; to actually do something that addresses the actual problem(s) means less opportunity to push said agenda.
Thus, the reason the left won't address the actual problem(s).

 

Typically shooter are doing the bullying. They are not typically the ones being bullied. The staff usually the target and not the kids. If you use the system to punish them instead of rehab them, you will only reaffirm their belief that the system is out to get them and the authority is culpable.

In the rare case the shooter was bullied, there are more specific targets before the shooter offs themselves. These are not the ones to kill as many as they can before they are taken down.

 

No, the shooters are the ones usually being bullied, and because they are mostly mentally ill, they react differently than sane people do. Schools need to set up a sense of community. Kids don't shoot up places they feel they belong to.

 

Thanks for starting a thread that focuses on real solutions to school shootings.

The reason that MSM & the Gun Ban lobbies continue to talk about gun "control" i.e. banning is that their agenda has nothing to do with reducing school shootings & everything to do with banning private firearm ownership.
For them, the more school shootings the better their chances of banning guns which is, after all, their true agenda.

For those interested in stopping school shootings and all mass shootings, there are ample warning flags & some of them are outlined in the article below.

In the Facebook & social media era where everyone posts the most inane details about themselves, potential school shooters are more likely to reveal themselves & their darkest, most angry thoughts to their peers but not their parents.

The fact to bear in mind is the simple reality that a determined killer will kill regardless of the weapon he choses & it is as much the responsibility of the potential killer's peers to speak up as it is for the authorities to take action. In Parkland, neither did their role & the results were catastrophic.


"Dissecting the distinctive profile of school shooters: 'There's always a trail of what they're about to do'"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dissecting-distinctive-profile-school-shooters-trail/story?id=53197511

EXCERPT "Alleged details about the suspected killer quickly emerged: his expulsion from Stoneman Douglas High; how he was fascinated by talk of guns and preoccupied with wars and terrorists; how he posted photos of weapons on social media.

Another neighbor, Malcolm Roxburgh, said Cruz would attack pets.

Speno said he remembered one day when Cruz suddenly "cornered a squirrel and was pegging it with rocks trying to kill it."

Such alarming behavior is not uncommon for school shooters like the accused Cruz, who differ from other mass shooters in the sense that they are normally younger and usually signal their plans, experts say.

They have a clear profile, "with some variations," according to former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett, including anger, depression, and careful planning.

“There's always a trail of what they're about to do," Garrett said."CONTINUED

 

Saw that on TV did you? No, research shows that they are more likely to be the bullies than the bullied.

 

And you would be wrong.
School shootings and work place shootings have a motivation, of wrongs, real or conceived" (false impressions) of injustices and the shooter seeing themselves as a hapless victim and not an aggressor.

Problem is systematic bullying has traditionally been overlooked with teachers saying; "boys will be boys" I heard that said often enough in school, when a Bully would act up.
It was easier to overlook a Bully than to risk correcting him.

 

Further, schools and work places have caste systems, pecking orders, in schools, the nerds, the jocks, etc, and the outcasts nobody liked, we called them "freaks" sometimes so called "Satanists" etc.... These are likely School shooters, not the popular well liked caste members.

 

Then post the evidence of it. Also, it's possible to be both a bully and the bullied. I base mine about reading about the school shooters. I can't recall one that was a well liked kid that wasn't bullied, can you?

 

@DoctorWho @perdidochas

Here is the study. https://schoolshooters.info/sites/default/files/bullying_school_shootings_1.1.pdf

thanks

 

No offense, but that was a pretty garbage research study. I didn't see any evidence of the methodology or the data source. I could make up better. Find a peer-reviewed source, or at least one with documentation. All that site is is way to sell books and pretend to be academic.

The other thing is, for high school aged students, it bears out my theory. 54% of the secondary school shooters were bullied. (see figure 4 in your linked dubious study).

 

Tell you what, I was a child and witnessed classic Bully crapola.

I was thin and frail.

Bullies were often left back a few grades and poor students.

I do not need a study.

Only now are educators even addressing what has been a known issue since early on.

 

Witnessed? lolz I was bullied.

 

Oh, well why not just come out and say it?

In any case no two people handle the same experience in the same way. I fully understand how the bullied might end up killimg the bully but I do not understand the mindset that would cause a person to slaughter a bunch of people unrelated to the bullying.

 

Never before have we had this level of awareness when it comes to bullying, but kids weren't shooting up schools when bullying was ignored. The major difference I see is that we are medicating kids with behavioral issues, Masking symptoms does nothing to address the underlying condition.

 

In a School, if a Bully is seemingly tolerated, and weaker children are scolded as inadequate, stand up for yourself, teachers would say then.
After a while, the Bullied student might feel the entire system and everyone is against him or her.

This is entirely perspective and subjective, however a young person involved will of course lack objectivity.

 

i think public shaming may be a good tactic to use against bullies.

punishing their parents? no, as bullies tend to have bully parents.

 

My point is we don't need to have these "caste systems" anymore. You're not weird if you're not into sports or dress a certain way you don't like. Everyone deserves a chance, why signal people out when you don't even know them?

 

If a jock is doing the bullying, they should be expelled from playing football or basketball or whatever sport they are playing, you shouldn't bully others and be rewarded for it. Jocks are the main problem in the schools and it needs to be addressed. I don't hear about nerds bullying other nerds.

 

Also, in Florida they are discussing a law that says if a student is proven to be bullied and nothing is done, he or she can obtain a voucher and go to a private school. I like that, I went to a private high school and I was so happy and I had friends. Middle school was hell for me.

 

You are disconnected from reality.

I do not signal out anyone, for any reason, and you certainly do not know me, if you think that is what I do.

There is still a "caste system" in place in schools, sure, there is more dialogue in place now for diversity, before nobody addressed issues such as Bullying, as now.

 

There is no way to eliminate things like the above. It's just human nature.

 

Stop ignoring or condoning Bully behavior, and punish it.
The Bullies would thump a small child in the back of the head, making him or her bite their tongue and causing frightful bleeding or chipped teeth.

 

See ?
A variation on "Boys will be Boys" and patently false...

 

Not talking about bullies, but about cliques or caste systems.