The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

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Is turning deserts green a good response to climate change?

  1. No, only a carbon tax of some form will stop climate change!

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  2. Yes, plants are both a carbon as well as a water sink!

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    41.2%
  3. No, we should never engage in geo-engineering of any form or shape, EVER!!!

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  4. Yes, with one billion hungry, how can we go wrong by producing more food?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you know that there is an Islamic prophecy that the Islamic desert regions would be turned green in the latter days?????

    This topic is of special interest to me because I live about a hundred miles from the Bay of Fundy. I live five kms from the ocean on the eastern part of Nova Scotia. In my area the difference between low tide to high tide is about one meter! The land form of the Bay of Fundy has a funnelling effect on tidal waters and so parts of the Fundy have a difference of fifteen to seventeen meters between low to high tide!

    The question on my mind would be if ocean levels were to rise about thirty centimeters in my part of Nova Scotia, would they rise by four or five meters along parts of the Fundy????

    There are 143,000 acres of farmland taken back from the Fundy by dikes that are probably in the position of the proverbial canary in a coal mine in relation to rising ocean levels!

    Every cubic meter of H2O added to the water table of nations in the Middle EAst will NOT be on top of New Orleans, Florida, Holland, Bangladesh or those 143,000 acres along the Fundy!!!!!

    I felt a huge sense of relief when I first heard about The Sahara Forest Project!


    https://www.facebook.com/SaharaForestProject
    Sahara Forest Project
    April 19


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    http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021110
     
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    Now if they would also add eighty or ninety trace minerals to all this new food produced in the desert and improve the human immune system, they could save a similar amount of money out of the health budget that would be needed to turn many desert areas green??!!

    http://www.healthwisdom.org/aidsminera.htm

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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just watched this film.....I am somewhat depressed.....but if you are familiar with this you will recognize the connection with this topic!!!!!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uuYjUxf6Uk
    Noam Chomsky: Can civilisation survive really existing capitalism?
     
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    The have updated their website.... and it is interesting that they have two experimental branches... one in Jordan one in Qatar.

    http://saharaforestproject.com/
     
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    The idea of growing hemp for pulp as opposed to cutting trees, especially in the Rain Forest, fits well with this idea!

    https://www.facebook.com/events/419521494814151/
     
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    Now combine all this with a peace deal between Jordan and Israel that focuses on turning the deserts of Jordan green……………….. and it might just be possible to 1. greatly stabilize the Middle East 2. produce food even in the deserts of Jordan 3. plants eat carbon so this will help to balance the increase in atmospheric carbon 4. also every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table of a nation with lots of desert will not be on top of New Orleans, Florida, The Netherlands, Bangladesh or the Maldive Islands.

    I find it interesting that during his near death experience Dannion Brinkley was shown that a peace deal would come about between Jordan and Israel.

     
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    If P. M. Netanyahu can show how Americans benefit from what has been happening in the nation of Israel....... and even in the nation of Jordan......… then he would begin to gain more positive good will and attention for his nation....... as well as increase our interest in what is going on in the Middle East.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-accepts-invite-to-address-us-congress
    Netanyahu accepts invitation to address US Congress
     
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    FACT: New Orlans and other areas related to the Missisippi Delta are sinking due to creation of levis and dams along the Mississippi river which prevents the movement of silt downstream.
     
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    Zimbabwe is reclaiming pasture from the desert using herd animals.. Its VERY low tech.
     
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    Impressive!

    I have read that bovine excrement is one of the only substances that will fully restore the humus, the natural bacteria to the soil after the soil has been sterilized by chemical fertilizers, fungicides, pesticides and herbicides.

    I am sure it will do even more good to soil that has not been depleted in that way.
     
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    I wonder what would happen if they imported enough beavers into the smaller brooks that feed into the Mississippi?

    I wonder could the beavers eventually decrease the amount of soil going downstream?!
     
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    They are rotating goats on the land because their hooves break up the soil and allow whatever rain there is to be absorbed.

    You should stop blathering about Israel.. They have ruined the water table, the aquifers and the Jordan river since 1967.
     
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    The mistakes that Israel makes are a good example for all of us in North America.

    The European mentality is to use the land in such a way that will eventually destroy the land.

    We are all guilty of doing this................ My house produces just as much garbage as the neighbours........... I am just as dependent on seriously flawed technology as the majority of Canadians.......... but I truly am hopeful that Israel and Jordan and the Middle East will become an example that other many nations will be able to learn from...… including Canada and the USA!
     
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    The Sanhedrin has been formed again and the two hundred or so members of that body may tend to be rather interested in a theory on how turning deserts green, longevity and peace between Jordan and Israel could fit together very nicely!

    http://thesanhedrin.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1139

    Post subject: Longevity, will all Jews soon live healthy for a century?

    ........ (post #6 title)....Post subject: Unified Theory of Modern World Problems centered on food!
     
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    Thank you for this fact Ronstar! I should Google this…….. but…….. lowering the ocean levels a bit through a widespread use of desalination of ocean water for initiatives like the Sahara Forest Project would still assist New Orleans.

    I would like to see our Canadian political parties cooperate somewhat more than they do now. P. M. Stephen Harper would be the perfect person to propose something like this to Israel and Liberal Party Leader Justin Trudeau would be perfect for promoting this type of idea in Jordan?!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=394887&page=2&p=1064981823#post1064981823
    Ignorance shown in my 2008 campaign, my apology to Ms. Elizabeth May!
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    Probably one of the best possible opening gambits to take with a Green Party Dollar or Liberal Party Dollar might be a deal with Jordan and Israel regarding cooperation to turn much of the desert areas of Jordan green.

    This would certainly be one of the best ways to protect those 143,000 acres of farmland along the Bay of Fundy that are protected by dikes. Something like that would link a Green Party Dollar or a Liberal Party Dollar to the currencies of two other nations….. which would give it a stable value that Canadians could rely on.
     
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    This is a subject that has been discussed for a few decades. The problem is the cost. It isn't merely building a pipe to the low lying areas. Because there is very little fall (angle), the flow would be very slow. When evaporation is considered it would take decades to centuries to fill.

    So it would trenching out a very WIDE canal - and canal walls collapse, particularly if high sand content, unless re-enforced. The amount of stone and concrete would be astronomical. So while it clearly seems to make sense, who is going to put up the likely hundreds of billions it would cost - assuming that would get it done?

    Finally some argue evaporation would convert most if the water back to rain, meaning mostly back into the ocean and little accomplished. As for irrigation, it would be salt water. But, again, it is a good sounding idea.
     
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    Pay attention that to make Sahara green is not tax free ... It would cost billions and billions of Euro [and US$!]. Who will pay? US and EU tax payers ...

    So, be careful to talk about carbon tax, to make Sahara green there will be a "Green Sahara Tax" to pay ...
     
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    The desert in Northern Africa is the product of a particular wind circulation and of the geography of that continent.

    To change the climate it would require to modify the morphology of the mountains along the Atlantic coast [and to do this we should dismantle entire mountains!!].
     
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    Voted no because im against any imaginable geo forming project, the planet is in harmony with itself, it has cold parts and hot parts and some in between just because humans can't live there doesn't mean it doesn't need it too exist. The Sahara, like many uninhabitable areas of the world should be considered an international nature preserve

    http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-sahara-amazon-dust-plumes-20150224-story.html
     
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    Good news is, we have a new land mass rising from silt being transported downstream into the gulf. It was in the news here a couple weeks ago.
     
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    We have millions of beavers already, and have to trap them to cut down their numbers. Too bad their fur isn't the best for its a hot climate and the furs of beavers used for apparel and felt hats is all cold climate critters. Northern US and Canada.
     
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    In reference to New Orleans, why anyone would choose to build a city below sea level in its location is not something intelligence does.
     
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    I have been reading that the water table is way down in many nations so it seems that by desalinating water it may be possible to get the water table back up to normal areas which would be good news for every city vulnerable to rising ocean levels.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...rdan-river-syrian-refugees-water-environment/

    Biblical Waters: Can the Jordan River Be Saved?
     
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    What I have been advocating for the last decade is to alter the central banking policy so that we do not artificially define ourselves as nearly bankrupt……. at a time in history when productive capability is higher than ever before.

    www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/


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