The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

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Is turning deserts green a good response to climate change?

  1. No, only a carbon tax of some form will stop climate change!

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    5.9%
  2. Yes, plants are both a carbon as well as a water sink!

    14 vote(s)
    41.2%
  3. No, we should never engage in geo-engineering of any form or shape, EVER!!!

    6 vote(s)
    17.6%
  4. Yes, with one billion hungry, how can we go wrong by producing more food?

    17 vote(s)
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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People on the political left.....
    tend to be less than enthusiastic about any initiative that
    could lead to a significant increase in world population........

    Getting them to think differently by linking the production of more food to
    combatting climate change is one of the only ways that I make them take this more seriously.
     
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    I personally am far more worried about Sulphur Dioxide than about
    carbon dioxide.

    If we kill the trees through acid rain... then they cannot clean up the
    atmosphere for us.

    https://www.facebook.com/SaharaForestProject/

     
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    Well, the good news is that Sulphur Dioxide levels in the U. S. have been declining since 1980: https://www3.epa.gov/airtrends/sulfur.html , according to the EPA, which also attributes most SO2 emissions to volcanoes. Not much we can do about those.

    Energy production? We should go right on using coal and natural gas -- BUT -- we should be pumping billions and billions of dollars into Hydrogen Fusion R&D. That is the ultimate answer to all our energy needs. After that, we only need oil to lubricate things. :smile:
     
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    I will certainly give this some thought!

    Pollycy..... I would be honoured indeed to have your merciless criticism of my platform
    in my proposed campaign for the office of National Leader of Canada's Conservative Party.

    One advantage to a Conservative to link all this with climate change is to increase dialogue
    between Canada's Conservative Party with the NDP and Green Party.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=466822&p=1066439854#post1066439854
    Dennis Tate for National Leader of Canada's Conservative Party.
     
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    I admit that I may be naive and gullible but there is another
    use for hydrogen that I do find fascinating.


    http://www.theorionproject.org/en/hydroxy.html

    Hydroxy Gas Energy Systems

     
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    Thank you immensely for this confirmation Acheter.

    This topic can be connected to The Donald's proposed Mexico - USA wall.........

    by building at the minimum two walls if not three........ and doubling the complex as
    a large scale solar ocean water desalination project.... that doubles as a fish farm.
     
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    Desalinate the Dead Sea. :roll:
     
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    Why not genetically engineer edible plants that will grow in salt water? MANY plants do. That seem would seem less a cost and challenge than massive systems just to try to remove salt from water on a mass scale.
     
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    I get so many surprises as I read these NDE accounts.

    I had thought that cloning...... wasn't worth the risks involved......

    but here I read about a near death experiencer being shown how to
    clone trees!

    https://angelicview.wordpress.com/2015/09/06/commanded-by-angels-to-preserve-the-earths-canopy/

     
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    In 2006 the UN started the billion tree project. Since then 14 billion trees have been planted world wide. China has reclaimed the Loess valley and reclaimed billions of acres back to productive land. Gabe Brown has pioneered carbon farming and soil building in South Dakota. He also speaks of mob grazing and restoring land with cover crops. He and Dr. Liu are worth a look see. Also Tony Lovell.
     
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    Thank you for this encouraging information.

    Yes.. .I have got to google articles on some of this.
     
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    Cloning plants is not that complicated. I use tip cuttings or root cuttings. I have cloned trees, roses, wildflowers, hibiscus, succulents, and other plants. You can even make your own rooting hormone with willow branches and bark.
     
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    Is that type of activity actually termed "cloning" or does the
    word only refer to manipulation at the DNA level?
     
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    It is cloning. You get an exact copy of the parent plant. Just because it is fairly simple doesn't mean it isn't cloning. I have produced thousands of clones from one plant...if you consider clones from clones.
     
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    That is a relief.

    I was wondering what was meant by the word "cloning" in the passage that
    I quote in post #84.
     
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    A good book to read is Plant Propagation in Pictures... published in 1957.
     
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    I will have to look that up.....

    For the moment it seems like convincing Bernie Sanders to join Dr. Jill Stein
    is the best way to begin a shift over to this more practical approach.


    https://www.facebook.com/groups/409...group_comment_reply&notif_id=1477448839174775

    Jill Stein Activists
     
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    Here is another reason to desalinate ocean water and get it to the roots of trees.

    https://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/mohammad_z_nde.htm
     
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    Might this not have some unforeseen consequences?

    I like it though. Seems very difficult.
     
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    Water tables all around the world seem to be getting lower and lower as demand for fresh water
    increases, so it is one of the only possible ways to fix that problem.
     
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    Quite sound we could use the abundance of sunlight out there as energy source for desalination plants,
    from Western Sahara, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt and Libya?, and for economic viability it should be planted.

     
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    Yes... .and it sure is encouraging to find out that
    some genuine experts are in agreement with this idea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

    How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change | Allan Savory

    - - - Updated - - -

    One of the obvious possible negatives to the plan that I am advocating
    would be a population explosion?!

    I do believe that the risks far outweigh the risks though!
     
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    The slow growth nature of trees put them at the bottom of the carbon absorbing, oxygen creating plants.

    Over half of the oxygen actually comes from the tiniest plankton and protoplankton ecosystem of the oceans. Various algaes and sea vegetation also contribute. On land, grasses and brush do far more than do trees.

    Such as the Sahara Project make their numbers work by ignoring all the energy, costs and carbon dioxide resulting from the project. It is not economically viable.
     
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    But if we keep on killing our oceans it may be our
    most promising remaining hope.

    Have you seen the film "Cowspiracy?"
     
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    The water sink aspect of what plants can do for the environment may soon be regarded as every bit as important as their ability to absorb and transform atmospheric carbon dioxide.

    I suspect that humanity will soon be looking at the West Antarctic Ice Sheet with a whole new level of respect......and fear.
     

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