The Sciences of Time - Does Time Have A Beginning?

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  1. Derideo_Te

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    One of the most easily identifiable attributes is the inversely proportional relationship between their egos and their intellect.
     
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    The Sciences of Time - Does Time Have A Beginning?
    Time as we know it is a dimension of existence in this universe. It began with the birth of this universe and is intricately bound up and interwoven within the fabric of space in this universe. But this universe is part of a larger multiverse, and each of the varied components of that multiverse is a separate reality within itself. There are millions of alternate but interrelated universes in the multiverse, with each having different scientific & philosophic laws governing its existence. But no universe exists alone on its own. Every universe has connections to other parallel ones, and there is a continuous flow of energy among them. Time exists in some of them, but some exist without time at all. I think time may be connected to those universes that are physical in nature. But universes that aren't physical--universes that are totally energy--don't experience time as we know it. Skipping from science into philosophy, I believe life can & does exist in alternate universes, and physical form is not always required. In fact, what we call spirits, or souls--including our own--are actually "Conscious Energy Beings--(CEBs)" from a universe where no physical matter exists. The fact that we're here is powerful evidence that energy can travel from one existence to another. There's strong evidence to support the idea that CEBs can travel thru time like we travel thru space. The question of time is a fascinating one, that opens the doorway into a complex web of interconnected and interrelated universes called the multiverse--which we are all a highly functional part of. As I have often said in this forum: We are more than we think we are. ;)
     
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    Interestingly enough , when I ''stepped'' into this thread , Einstein just became outdated by about one hundred years . Science malarkey does not belong in science , a space - time is for the naive as the objectiveness of a spatial void without any components demonstrates in true perspective and realism that unless matter occupies the spatial void reference frame , that time is irrelevant and none existence . Therefore it is unarguable , time is relevant to matter and NOT an independent entity .
    Too be precise , time is an arbitrary means of recording history by comparable device and space is independent of matter .
     
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    Ironic given that what followed was pure unadulterated malarkey!
     
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    So...you critique "Science Malarkey" then spew in all over the floor?

    Basically you just vomited verbiage that contains nothing but "Unique" opinion and counter intuitive hypothesis that does not even make minimal sense in experience or observation.
     
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    I commend you on a classic demonstration of psuedo intellectual bullshit. Did it take much time to craft or is this your contemporaneous genius in action?
     
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    Time is a creation of PeopleKind.






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    does it matter to anyone but an astrophysicist?

    only time that matters to me is how much longer I have suffer humanities idiocy -15-20yrs?
    and that I have to be at my physio in 25 minutes...
     
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    According to Einstein, time and space are a single thing. Therefore time began when space began and will disappear when space disappears. Before time and space there was nothing.
     
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    You forgot about the equivalence of matter and energy.

    You would have to show there is no energy, not just that there is no matter.

    Einstein has been shown to be remarkably correct. There are issues, but nothing in your post comes close to those issues.
     
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    right.
     
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    and as to your question what about the possibility of a multi-verse that goes on infinitely? ...not only does time become meaningless and relevant so does the thought of a beginning and an end...
     
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    I don't believe that makes time any less relevant than the other dimensions - since time is a part of this universe.

    I understand that current cosmologists have our universe as continuing to expand forever, with all energy (including matter, which is equivalent to energy) simply decreasing beyond the point where the "stuff" we know (protons, electrons, quarks, black holes, etc.) have all dissipated.
     
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    Nope!

    Time has always existed.

    Our means of MEASURING time is what we have invented. We measure time in reference to ourselves as in how long a day lasts and how many years have passed since an event occurred. On a different planet those measures of time would be irrelevant since the elapsed time for a day and a year are unlikely to be the same as here on Earth.
     
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    A fallacious assumption that violates the first law of thermodynamics.
     
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    Without people, there would be no time.

    Do not equate change with time. I called it first
     
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    If time has beginning or end, you can't define that by time itself. You need a meta-concept for that ...
     
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    Like the ability to leave time?

    So in a sense, you can travel to any point of it since you're outside of time and outside of a when, so being at a point of never...
    Which is of course, more Sci-Fi than science.
     
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    Nonsense!

    Space-time existed long before homo sapiens evolved and it will still exist long after we are extinct.
     
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    It seems you mistake perception for reality and philosophy for science. When you go to sleep at night and become un-conscious does time go away or does your alarm clock wake you up when time passes sufficiently?
     
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    When you move close to lightspeed, your time runs more slowly. That's a proven fact.
    But what happens if you move faster than light? Does your time then runs backwards?

    However, a time machine that enables people to travel to the past will never exist. Otherwise we would know that.
     
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    When IF is brought into a science discussion it is no longer science.
     
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    My physics professor said that time is that which can be measured by a clock, mechanical or atomic, and that where there is no motion no time exists. Time is matter dependent.
     
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    Time is the active participation in experience for humans, but does not require human participation to exist. When YOU die it still happens for ME regardless of what you now experience so time is not dependent on YOU. The universe was happening Billions of years ago and we can see it through technology as it was then....the speed of light is absolute proof that time exists.
     
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    I think the numeration of time is more of a convenient variable when we wish to calculate speed or distance, etc. If space aliens landed on Earth would our respective time machines have the same numerations? Obviously the Big Bang happened some 'time' ago but 'how long' ago is relative to the local time system used. If we could hover outside of the Universe, and look down on the entire Universe, everything we see will be at our 'present time'. But at this same moment we would also be looking back in 'time' due to the space/time theory. We use 'time' on Earth to better communicate and organize our lives but this is not necessary to exist. So...does time as a constant exist or is it just a convenience to locals...
     
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