The Secret Lie That Started The Afghan War

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  1. Blaster3

    Blaster3 Well-Known Member

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    i'll defer you back to post #14, it was in que awaiting mod approval, evidently, so will this post.

    i'm still waiting to hear how a supposed 911 lie started a war that began decades before it...
     
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  2. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    What doesn’t constitute a legitimate investigation is the 9/11 Commission and the NIST “investigation” as well as the document that led to the war in Afghanistan.

    It doesn’t matter what I think about these videos although for me they are all suspect. What matters is that 9/11 has never been legitimately investigated. Those videos do not constitute an investigation of any kind.
     
  3. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You realize that Al Qaeda and Bin Laden released those videos themselves right.

    It's important that you understand this...
     
  4. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Once again read the topic of the thread. However I will yield that discussions often branch into related topics so I will not object to a discussion on the Afghan war as long as the topic still focuses on the document in question.
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no conspiracy about the Afghan war....lol. I'll give you a conspiracy about Iraq...but this one is just pure nonsense.

    It's proven that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda operatives (Saudis and a couple Egyptians) were behind it.

    YOUR expectations of an investigation aren't normal.

    Which is why your thread is in the conspiracy section....
     
  6. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    That’s what YOU believe because that’s what YOU were told by the same source that lied about everything since 9/11. I’m not as easy as you are. I require incontrovertible proof which does not exist.
     
  7. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll ask this question because I'm curious about the level of evidence you require....

    Do you believe the Holocaust happened?

    This is relevant to the topic of your evidence for the Afghan war. As I will use your answer to bring out your OP's logic.

    I'm sure I'll get a deflection
     
  8. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    What is “pure nonsense” about a document that contains no evidence of any kind but claims it does?

    It’s proven to YOU. Like I said I require a legitimate investigation and incontrovertible proof. I’m not as easily suckered as you are.

    My expectations of an investigation are what is universally accepted by all forensic criminal investigations and the scientific method. I understand that may not be “normal” to YOU but it is the settled norm.

    That’s incorrect. This thread is in the conspiracy section because EVERYTHING that has to do with 9/11 is automatically placed in this section of the forum without any justifiable reason.
     
  9. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    You are off topic as usual but to answer your question I had several family members murdered during the Holocaust and my parents were lucky to have survived it. Their recorded accounts are part of the Holocaust Museum. I also have seen the numbered tatoos on the arms of several loved ones who survived the concentration camps. So I am quite familiar with wars based on LIES, genocide and other human rights atrocities.

    The level of evidence I require is down to the forensic nano level, nothing less.
     
  10. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And now you cannot be trusted. I'll leave you to your conspiracy.
     
  11. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Ah now I can’t be trusted because? And you trusted me before I responded to your question? No one asked you to trust anyone, much less any anonymous poster in a discussion forum. This topic is not about trust, it’s about the declassified document that precipitated the Afghan war. It’s obvious you were never interested in this topic in the first place because you did everything you could to try to sidetrack the topic.
     
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    That's false. From what I remember, the Taliban demanded proof about OBL and the US government refused to provide any. Likely because it didn't have any. They claimed they would hand him over if proof was provided.

    I don't blame them, would the US government bow down to demands from another sovereign state? That is not to say I defend the barbaric Taliban or Al Qaeda, that is strictly a matter of the treaties of international sovereignty. War is not the knee jerk answer to anything.

    That's not true either. According to the document this thread is about, Afghanistan was invaded under pretext of 9/11, not because any proof of anything was provided.
     
  13. Scott

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    May I ask how YOU know that AQ and OBL orchestrated the attacks on 11 September?
     
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    It is known from interviews with Richard Clark that Rumsfield etc never wanted anything to do with Afghanistan. Even the very next day after 9/11 they were talking about ways to bomb Iraq. They had to be convinced by Clark and Colin Powell to go after Afghanistan. It is obvious that Iraq was always the target whether 9/11 happened or not. Afghanistan got in the way of that plan. 9/11 got in the way of their plans.

    But let's imagine for a moment that they allowed 9/11 to happen so that they could invade Afghanistan. This was posted over on JREF a while ago, it shows the ridiculously unlikely success of this plan when you factor in that after 9/11 the US now had to negotiate other countries for this Afghan war to be possible.

    " Afghanistan is a landlocked country (truthers may need to be reminded of this fact), and any invasion is logistically impossible without the support of its neighbors. Prior to 9/11, Pakistan was a staunch ally of Taliban-ruled Afghanistan (see Ahmed Rashid, Taliban, passim). The former Soviet Central Asian states of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan backed the Northern Alliance, but were also wary of antagonizing their former master, Russia. Prior to September 2001 these states would not have contemplated admitting any US or Western military presence on their soil. Although Russian President Vladimir Putin backed the USAs invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001, it took the Americans considerable effort to persuade him to permit the US and NATO forces to use bases on Uzbek and Tajik territory as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. It also took time and considerable pressure to force General Pervez Musharraf to abandon the Taliban - despite resistance from the military and ISI. Given the geo-political realities of Central Asia in mid-2001, there were no guarantees of any host nation support for any attack on Afghanistan. Assuming again that 9/11 was an inside job, how could the US government realistically presume that the Russians and Pakistanis would actually permit the USA to effect regime change against the Taliban?"
     
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    Even if he was (and I doubt it) who'd be stupid enough to think they could find one man in such a mountainous country? I mean, he wouldn't have been living in a rented flat in effing Kabul would he!!
     
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    a troofer vid full of lies ... truly pathetic ...
     
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    I'm feeling kind of embarrassed for truthers now ... being fed horseshit by deceptive videos preying on their gullibility and preconceived bias ...
     
  20. Bob0627

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    What part of the video is "full of lies"?
     
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    start at 8:50 after all the truther nonsense ... the hijackers were trained in Afghanistan ... funny how they leave that info out huh? ... most troofer vids lie by omission and you guys just suck it up as it feeds your narrative ...
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Then you must be a "troofer" because that describes the 9/11 Commission Report so perfectly.
     
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