The Secret Lie That Started The Afghan War

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  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you ever gathered intelligence in Afghanistan? Have you ever encountered ALQ in person?

    Your conspiracy theories belong in this forum section for a reason
     
  2. Bob0627

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    Then I suggest you quit watching Star Trek while taking LSD. You are off topic and that is considered trolling which is a violation of the rules of this forum.
     
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    On 9-11 the Taliban wasn't the enemy.

    On 9-11 the Taliban was in control of most of Afghanistan.

    When U.S. authorities asked the Taliban to capture OBL and turn him over to U.S. authorities the Taliban told the USA to eat camel dung.

    When U.S. authorities asked the Taliban not to allow Al Qaeda to operate in Afghanistan, the Taliban told the USA to go **** a goat.

    So the Taliban became the enemy and we bombed and invaded Afghanistan.

    Afghanistan should have been a punitive action war not a nation building war that liberals and neocons like so much doing.
    CRUSH and BOLT is how you're suppose to do it.

    The Afghanistan Taliban is no different that the left wing Taliban in America.
    Both want to erase history and rewrite history and both topple monuments.

    Afghanistan wasn't always a shithole country.

    Afghanistan actually a pretty nice place at one time.

    So what and who turned Afghanistan into a shithole country ? Socialism and the Soviet Union.

    Afghanistan during the good old days
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/afghanistan-during-the-good-old-days.527278/
     
  4. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    None of that has anything to do with the topic of this thread. Why do I have to keep reminding you to remain on topic?

    I don’t have any conspiracy theories nor did I cite any. This is also off topic and irrelevant.

    That said there no legitimate reason to relegate every discussion on 9/11 to the conspiracy theory section of any forum. 9/11 was a conspiracy fact not a theory. The perpetual wars on terror under pretext of 9/11 are fact not theory. The hundreds of thousands of innocent people murdered by these fake wars are not theory they are fact.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the thread topic not about the Afghan War? Or are you referencing another war? Please clarify what war your conspiracy thread is regarding.
     
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    i'll defer you back to post #14, it was in que awaiting mod approval, evidently, so will this post.

    i'm still waiting to hear how a supposed 911 lie started a war that began decades before it...
     
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  7. Bob0627

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    What doesn’t constitute a legitimate investigation is the 9/11 Commission and the NIST “investigation” as well as the document that led to the war in Afghanistan.

    It doesn’t matter what I think about these videos although for me they are all suspect. What matters is that 9/11 has never been legitimately investigated. Those videos do not constitute an investigation of any kind.
     
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    You realize that Al Qaeda and Bin Laden released those videos themselves right.

    It's important that you understand this...
     
  9. Bob0627

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    Once again read the topic of the thread. However I will yield that discussions often branch into related topics so I will not object to a discussion on the Afghan war as long as the topic still focuses on the document in question.
     
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    There is no conspiracy about the Afghan war....lol. I'll give you a conspiracy about Iraq...but this one is just pure nonsense.

    It's proven that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda operatives (Saudis and a couple Egyptians) were behind it.

    YOUR expectations of an investigation aren't normal.

    Which is why your thread is in the conspiracy section....
     
  11. Bob0627

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    That’s what YOU believe because that’s what YOU were told by the same source that lied about everything since 9/11. I’m not as easy as you are. I require incontrovertible proof which does not exist.
     
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    I'll ask this question because I'm curious about the level of evidence you require....

    Do you believe the Holocaust happened?

    This is relevant to the topic of your evidence for the Afghan war. As I will use your answer to bring out your OP's logic.

    I'm sure I'll get a deflection
     
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    What is “pure nonsense” about a document that contains no evidence of any kind but claims it does?

    It’s proven to YOU. Like I said I require a legitimate investigation and incontrovertible proof. I’m not as easily suckered as you are.

    My expectations of an investigation are what is universally accepted by all forensic criminal investigations and the scientific method. I understand that may not be “normal” to YOU but it is the settled norm.

    That’s incorrect. This thread is in the conspiracy section because EVERYTHING that has to do with 9/11 is automatically placed in this section of the forum without any justifiable reason.
     
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    You are off topic as usual but to answer your question I had several family members murdered during the Holocaust and my parents were lucky to have survived it. Their recorded accounts are part of the Holocaust Museum. I also have seen the numbered tatoos on the arms of several loved ones who survived the concentration camps. So I am quite familiar with wars based on LIES, genocide and other human rights atrocities.

    The level of evidence I require is down to the forensic nano level, nothing less.
     
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    And now you cannot be trusted. I'll leave you to your conspiracy.
     
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    Ah now I can’t be trusted because? And you trusted me before I responded to your question? No one asked you to trust anyone, much less any anonymous poster in a discussion forum. This topic is not about trust, it’s about the declassified document that precipitated the Afghan war. It’s obvious you were never interested in this topic in the first place because you did everything you could to try to sidetrack the topic.
     
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    That's false. From what I remember, the Taliban demanded proof about OBL and the US government refused to provide any. Likely because it didn't have any. They claimed they would hand him over if proof was provided.

    I don't blame them, would the US government bow down to demands from another sovereign state? That is not to say I defend the barbaric Taliban or Al Qaeda, that is strictly a matter of the treaties of international sovereignty. War is not the knee jerk answer to anything.

    That's not true either. According to the document this thread is about, Afghanistan was invaded under pretext of 9/11, not because any proof of anything was provided.
     
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    May I ask how YOU know that AQ and OBL orchestrated the attacks on 11 September?
     
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    It is known from interviews with Richard Clark that Rumsfield etc never wanted anything to do with Afghanistan. Even the very next day after 9/11 they were talking about ways to bomb Iraq. They had to be convinced by Clark and Colin Powell to go after Afghanistan. It is obvious that Iraq was always the target whether 9/11 happened or not. Afghanistan got in the way of that plan. 9/11 got in the way of their plans.

    But let's imagine for a moment that they allowed 9/11 to happen so that they could invade Afghanistan. This was posted over on JREF a while ago, it shows the ridiculously unlikely success of this plan when you factor in that after 9/11 the US now had to negotiate other countries for this Afghan war to be possible.

    " Afghanistan is a landlocked country (truthers may need to be reminded of this fact), and any invasion is logistically impossible without the support of its neighbors. Prior to 9/11, Pakistan was a staunch ally of Taliban-ruled Afghanistan (see Ahmed Rashid, Taliban, passim). The former Soviet Central Asian states of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan backed the Northern Alliance, but were also wary of antagonizing their former master, Russia. Prior to September 2001 these states would not have contemplated admitting any US or Western military presence on their soil. Although Russian President Vladimir Putin backed the USAs invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001, it took the Americans considerable effort to persuade him to permit the US and NATO forces to use bases on Uzbek and Tajik territory as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. It also took time and considerable pressure to force General Pervez Musharraf to abandon the Taliban - despite resistance from the military and ISI. Given the geo-political realities of Central Asia in mid-2001, there were no guarantees of any host nation support for any attack on Afghanistan. Assuming again that 9/11 was an inside job, how could the US government realistically presume that the Russians and Pakistanis would actually permit the USA to effect regime change against the Taliban?"
     

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