The secret son of Malcolm X

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  1. BuckNaked

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    There are no significant similarities beyond the inability of some people to tell two black men apart.
     
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    This is idiocy.. Obama is the spitting image of his mother.
     
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    The fact that they have the same jaw line nose mouth, and if you take X's glasses off they look like brothers ( not bros) has nothing to do with it eh? I simply found it interesting, never claimed it to be true.
     
     
    It was also just a coincidence that mother and X had actually crossed paths about the same time probably doesn't have any thing to do with it either. Besides nobody in the 60’s ever had sexual partners other than their spouses. So it would be an impossible assumption from the beginning. :rolleyes:
     

     
     
    I wouldn't go that far but they do have some of the same features just not as pronounced as the features X and him share.
     
     
    Like I said I just thought it interesting, especially since their paths seem to cross about the same time as his birth, and that he was obviously accepted and groomed by individuals that, well had more in common with X than his assumed birth father, who doesn't have any of the same features.
     
     
    It's also interesting that the common accepted claim is that his mother was of limited income or almost living in poverty when she had a PHD seems odd. Although I do know some homeless people who have multiple degrees and choose to live a paupers life.
     
     
    Just one of those little oddities of life.
     
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    They do not look at all alike beyond the fact that they are two thin black men.
     
    It would be a coincidence only if it were true. There is no evidence that Ann Dunham and Malcom X ever crossed paths,
     
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    Don't know what you are looking at but the similarities are actually very real. Doesn't mean they are indeed related, just that they resemble one another.
     
    Are you trying to say all skinny black men look alike cuz I never thought that to be the case. Have you thought about getting an eye exam?
     
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    Actually, no. They really are not.

    And yet, here you are convinced they do.

    Go figure.

    At least once a year. You?
     
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    No need got better than 20/20.
     
     
    And despite your denial they do resemble.
     
     
    The fact is neither of us can confirm much since most isn't confirmable to begin with. She was also all over the place and her mother quitting a high salary position in Washington State and moving to Hawaii to take a low level hourly position also seems strange. In fact there are more inconsistencies than realities to this story. Sr was also the only African male in Hawaii at the time and none of his close friends ever knew Obama's mom. Seems like something that should have stood out. According to some sources she also had connections with many of the same people X dealt with, and was registered and attending Washington State (according to school records) the same month she gave birth to Obama in Hawaii. Obama himself says she was also accepted in the University of Chicago and both of those schools X spoke at regularly so they very well did cross paths if they didn't actually meet. So you are wrong on that notion.
     
     
    That and the fact there is no marriage license or divorce paperwork, and this insanity over a legitimate BC makes all this appropriate for this section of the forum.
     
     
    Like I said there is no actual proof one way or another and I only posted it because of the obvious similarities you can't see or are in denial and refuse to see. Can't help you there.
     
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    I've never hinted that your problem was with your eyes.

    Actually... no. They don't. Nobody would ever mistake one for the other.
     
    Hey... you are the one who asserted that Ann Durham had "crossed paths" with Malcolm X at about the time of President Obama's birth. You have made an assertion which any thinking person would suspect already must have some confirmation behind it. Because, certainly, only idiots or pathological liars would assemble such a curious and detailed falsehood unless there was evidence for it right? And I'm quite certain you are neither an idiot nor a pathological liar. So... where's the evidence? I would dearly love to see it.

    While I wait, let's look at some of your other very strange assertions.

    Hmmmm. You seem to have forgotten that there was also a father involved. Or did you not realize? Perhaps you are too young to remember the idyllic "Leave it to Beaver" 50s, but in those days, wives followed their husband's careers, not the other way around. And Stanley moved from a good job in Washington to a better one in Hawaii.

    See how that works?

    So... this would seem strange only to somebody who really doesn't think very hard about stuff. And it also ignores that you really have no clue regarding Madelyn's salary in either location. And it appears to have exactly nothing to do with Malcolm X

    More? We're still waiting for the first one. I'm sure that you understand what an "inconsistency" is. Please, point one out for us.

    None? How would you pretend to know that? How would anybody pretend to know what every single one of Barack Obama Sr.'s close friends knew or did not know 50 years ago? It is the kind of claim that is so idiotically impossible to defend on its face that one can only admire the breathtaking chutzpa of the liar who made it up in the first place.

    And by the way, perhaps you should have at least adjusted the falsehood to read "none of his close friends except Neil Abercrombie ever knew Obama's mom." Then it would be just an unsupportable lie rather than an easily refutable one.

    Name them. Both the "sources" and these "same people." Please. Enlighten us as to these amazing connections between a woman in Honolulu, Hawaii (where according to you there was only one African male in the entire state) and a completely other black guy in Queens, New York?

    Gotta tell you. People living 5,000 miles apart in 1961 are not exactly running in the same circles.

    Oh? Malcolm X "spoke regularly" at the Universities of Washington and Chicago? Another assertion that I can only assume (since you are neither an idiot nor a pathological liar) for which you have some evidence? Because I myself cannot find evidence that Malcolm X ever gave a single speech at either of those two universities.

    But you say he spoke "regularly" at both, so it should be trivial for you for you to disabuse me of my skepticism.

    No divorce paperwork? What then are these?

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/18130289/Obama-1964-Divorce-Papers-13-Pages-Missing-Pg-11

    And as to the marriage license... the Hawaii DoH has provided the register entry:
    So they appear to have a license.

    And as to the "insanity over a legitimate BC," at this point you can only legitimately be describing the Birthers.

    No... apparently you can't help me. As far as I can tell, you can't help yourself either.
     
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    One of the more idiotic threads started here.

    But it is in line with a lot of the more vile emails that were sent out prior to the 2008 election, all attempting to smear Barack Obama through various unsupported claims, or outright lies all to make him seem 'other'

    You know....after the dismal performance of the stock market in the last two weeks....you would think the Obama haters would you know focus on his job performance, rather than focus trying to smear him by guilt by association.
     
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    Well obviously I have struck a nerve with you WongKimArk, but I have made no claims I am discussing the website that makes the claims. Big difference. I also have amde admissions that I cannot prove anything the website says, but obviously you can since you venomously deny every claim the source states without any shred of viable evidence what-so-ever. I also posted this in the conspiracy section, a rather obvious admission that it is a conspiracy that I personally have/had nothing to do with.
     
     
    According to his bio he was always on the move speaking in NOI rallies, at speeches for black colleges, but also major Universities where he had an effect on mostly black kids (especially those in northern and western cities, which include Chicago and Seattle, so I am very interested in reading any factual evidence that says otherwise) and for the media.
    It's also no secret that miss Duhnan was involved with the black community in Seattle and that she hung with communists and Muslims from the area. The rumors (rumors!!)in Seattle was that she was seeing a radical black male in the Seattle area and that her parents were mortified and that is why they relocated. Once again if you have any real evidience that would deny this claim I would really like to see it. There is no doubt they moved from Seattle in Nov and relocated to Hawaii, where the claim is she gave birth to the president the first days of Aug (even though she was registered in school in Washington state the very same month), all verified by school documents. So she could have very well been pregnant when they left Washington state with out knowing it to be the case.
     
     
     
    Also it is interesting that you bring up Abercrombie, since he did say he heard of miss Duhnan but not until 1971 when Sr visited his old friend in Hawaii and also saw his presumed son for the very first time on that visit. Again if there is any actual facts that dispute the claim made by Mr Abercrombie's confession I would also like to read it for myself.
     
     
    I have claimed nothing ast all only commented on the resemblance of the two men, who do not look like other skinny black men but like each other. Color has very little to do with it since their facial features are all I have discussed. You are the one trying to blow this off by bringing race into it assuming all skinny black men seem to look alike in "YOUR" opinion, not mine.
     
    I also didn’t create all this hoopla over the president's BC. I'm a year older than him went to over 15 schools, grade school to high school, lost many personal pictures and document in that time period due to flood and fire, yet I still have my original BC (my parents received from the hospital when I was born), and a couple copies my mother got for us when she applied for a SS card for us when we were young, actually from the state we lived in at the time. So even though I do understand that things happen and documents are lost and/or damaged. Some of this stuff just seems a little too bazaar to just blow it off as coincidence, or whatever. Things just seem odd in the Obama history time line, and I've never claimed anything other than that. Also why I have posted this in the conspiracy section of the forum and not in the I have factual evidence and challenge you to dispute it, section.
     
     
    Sorry you got your dander up over nothing more than an observation, but I guess you will simply have to deal with it on your own. I can't help you. I have no opinion on this subject other than commenting on the wbsite I provided you and the observation I made about their features, whether related or not they seem to share.
     
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    It is always fascinating how quickly you guys beat a hasty retreat when confronted with the idiocy of your claims. You are so anxious to suck up and repeat every cretinous smear that you gobble them up and beg for more like Oliver Twist pleading for second helping of gruel from his oppressive master.

    Rrather than even pretending a defense of these dumb assertions (since they are actually indefensible) you instead start hemming and hawing, trying to lay blame elsewhere, furiously backpedaling from your own posts, and ultimately tossing out a school of red herring to divert attention from the dumb things you said.

    Rather than whining about my response, you should be thanking me for doing the critical thinking you were too lazy to do yourself.

    Nonsense... you have made the claims that I questioned right here in this thread. It is only your pots that I have responded to. So... if int the course of those responses you have discovered you were misled, the rational response would be to say, "Oh. I have been misled. My source was apparently wrong. I apologize for failing to exercise the tiniest bit of critical thought and examining some of clearly idiotic contentions my source made and credulously passing them on instead."

    Instead... we get hand waving.

    No... see. This is another demonstration of the nearly complete unfamiliarity with critical thinking that allows smear artists to start stupid rumors and spread them rapidly. You are like the agar in a petri dish, an unthinking mass of jelly that serves only as the medium for infection to thrive.

    The burden of proof is on you. You are the one who has asserted that Obama's mother crossed paths with Malcolm X about the time of his birth. You are the one who who has asserted that none of Obama Sr.'s friends knew of Ann Dunham. You are the one who asserted that Malcolm X regularly spoke at the Universities of Washington and Chicago.

    Go check. Those claims were all in your posts, not anybody else's.

    The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that those assertions are not convenient lies invented out of thin air... as I am accusing.

    A more rigorous thinker than you would have looked at those statements and, given their obvious unlikelihood, done a tiny bit of checking to see if there was evidence they were true. And a more honest thinker than you would have realized there is none, and declined to pass them on.

    Please.... quote for me where it says that in any of his bios. Find me the transcript of a single speech he ever gave at either the U. of Washington or U. of Chicago. You claimed that he spoke "regularly" at those schools... so you should have no trouble coming up with a single documented example of such a speech.

    This should not be hard (and yet you are having such a hard time). A single example please.

    It's worse than merely a secret.... it is another complete fabrication.

    Please... give us all a single first hand account of Ann Dunham's social circles in Seattle that documents that she hung out with "communists and Muslims" or in the black community.

    But more to the point... show us where Malcolm X also hung out with that community in Seattle. After all... isn't the issue here your fake claim that they crossed paths?

    Aren't you ashamed of yourself? Don't you feel the slightest bit sleazy passing on what you acknowledge are "rumors!!" and then trying to pass off the burden of proof to somebody else?

    Don't you realize how deeply stupid that is?

    I could start a rumor right now regarding your involvement in a child trafficking ring. Who's obligation would it be to prove or disprove the rumor... mine or yours?

    That was a rhetorical question for other readers. I certainly do not expect you to actually know the answer.

    The Dunhams moved to Hawaii in the summer of 1960. Obama was born in August of 1961. Do the math.

    Unless you are also asserting that Stanley Ann was pregnant for more than a year, no. She could not "have very well been pregnant when they left Washington state with out knowing it to be the case."
     
    You are lying. Abercrombie never said he didn't hear of Ann Dunham "until 1971 when Sr visited his old friend in Hawaii and also saw his presumed son for the very first time on that visit." Here is what he has said... repeatedly"

    Please... don't insult everyone on the forum and pretend that it was "facial features" you were keying on. You are the one who cannot tell them apart, not me.
     
    How wonderful for you. I am only as couple years older than you, and I do not have mine. Welcome to the human condition.

    But as we have seen, much of the bizarre stuff isn't even true... not that you appear to make any effort to check. It is very, very easy to assemble a raft of bizarre details when there is no obligation that they have any basis in reality.

    And that describes the Birther movement in a nutshell.

    No. You can't help me. And you seem to have no intention of helping yourself. Thus you willfully immerse yourself in a swamp of ill meant falsehood and roll around with your fellows.

    Swine actually believe they are very, very clean animals.
     
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    Good grief get a grip dude. I am talking about the source I provided on a conspiracy forum, Helloooo??? If any or all of it isn't true I really couldn't care less, but everything I mentioned from the site came from the site I posted. If the info is wrong so be it, no sweat here.
     
     
    I apologize for spoiling your day by even bringing it up.
     
     
    And just for the record, I never claimed that I couldn't tell them apart only that they had features that were similar, that is your straw man.
     
     
     
    I did read a few bio's on the internet, since yesterday and you are absolutely right, all of them are extremely vague and there is no mention of any of the colleges he actually spoke at only that he spoke at many and the colleges in the north and west were regularly visited to push his beliefs. Chicago is in the north and Seattle is in the west generally speaking. It also said he went to Cuba, northern Africa and the middle east. He obviously traveled extensively. I appreciate the few sources you posted, even if you didn't cover all your claims, but honestly I was only interested in the topic, not obsessed with it.
     
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    You're forgiven.
     
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    It's pretty clear just from the morphing picture on that link that they have completely different noses eyes ears and chins. How anyone could think they are related is beyond me.
     
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    Ears yes' but put glasses on Obama and they could pass as brothers at close to the same age.
     
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    I think they look a lot alike but I don't believe they are related
     
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    Me neither I was just commenting on the Conspiracy theory and the site that thinks they are.
     
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    X's eyes are big and round. Obama's eyes are narrow and slanted and they match his mother's perfectly.

    X's chin is cleffed. Obama's is not.

    X has thick lips. Obama has narrow lips.

    Obama's nose is slightly narrower. And all in all his face is much longer.
     
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    Are we looking at the same picture? The eyes look the same the nose and lips are only slightly different and the jaw line almost matches perfectly. Close enough to be relatives. Most people do not look exactly like their parents but there are enough subtle similarities that they do appear to be related.
     
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    They don't share a single facial feature. His eyes are very clearly his mother's so his eyes are just out of the question.

    Now keep your eye on the nose as it morphs. You'll see the nose gets much wider as it gets closet to X. The face itself gets much smaller as well. Obama has a very long and narrow jaw line. X has a very short and wide and chiseled jaw line.

    You're letting the morph image dictate how you see things. A simple side by side picture shows they look nothing alike other than they are both black.
     
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    Not really. I've been a good judge of facial features since I was small. I could always tell the distinct differences in twins and triplets my whole life, and never had a problem calling them by their right name which amazed most of them since they have family members (cousins, aunts, uncles, etc...) they confused regularly. I also recognize faces really well. If I met you or saw you I usually remember that much better than names.

    I also resemble my granddad but he has a bigger nose, and we "ARE" related.

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    I honestly don't believe they are related but they do resemble one another IMO.
     
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    i think obama should take a polygraph. this is compelling. seems like a reliable source, i wonder what wong thinks....
     
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    "The American people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on unfounded accusations,"
     
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    Critical thinking is the process or method of thinking that questions assumptions.

    It is a way of deciding whether a claim is true, false, or sometimes true and sometimes false, or partly true and partly false.

    The origins of critical thinking can be traced in Western thought to the Socratic method of Ancient Greece and in the East, to the Buddhist kalama sutta and Abhidharma.

    Critical thinking is an important component of most professions. It is a part of the education process.
     

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