Now that it seems Abortion may indeed become illegal in the United States under the new management I wanted to hear about the HOW from those championing this direction. Please give your explanation as to how these simple aspects might be accomplished. How will we: 1) Track who is pregnant. 2) Verify Abortion vs. Miscarriage. 3) Enforce new Laws. 4) Enact sentencing. Thank you for your input.
Interesting that 20 views gather no replies....I wonder why? I suppose people are just "Seriously" contemplating this topic for the first time and have no answers that are not offensive or cruel..
you know about 99% of the evil people who want to make women's lives harder have not given one thought to what happens IF RvW is overturned..... like spoiled 3 year olds ( and Trump) these aren't people who think ahead or figure things out or worry about consequences...they just pout and cry..... and hate....
The overturning of Roe v Wade would not make abortion illegal, to my understanding. It would send it back to the states, where it belongs. That said, it could be a disaster in those states that chose to make it illegal, but people in those states would always have the option to travel to a state where it was not to have it done.
We (the good people of America) will bring Constitutional Originalists to the Supreme Court with 2 more such people on the court, there will be enough votes to overturn the un-Constitutional Roe vs. Wade. Abortions should never be funded by Federal Tax dollars. They should only be legal within the 1st Trimester, just in the Liberal states that allow them. No US State that wants them done within their borders should allow them. No insurance plan should be forced to pay for them, and no religious organization that has moral reservations to them should be forced to insure them. It will be up to local law enforcement to handle local crimes. It will be up to Federal Law Agencies to handle Federal crimes. End of story. Fetus killers are losing. Thank God.
Roe v Wade cannot be overturned as it has been confirmed by the USSC several times. It was always legal under the common law.
Thank you for venting....Now if you would please answer the questions: How will we: 1) Track who is pregnant. 2) Verify Abortion vs. Miscarriage. 3) Enforce new Laws. 4) Enact sentencing. Your input is appreciated.
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1) A free nation doesn't need to track pregnancies. Liberals might demand chips be installed in everyone to do such. 2) Miscarriages can be reported or not---up to family and state law. Abortions should be overwatched by the state, overwatched by the Feds. 3) See my first quote. 4) See my first quote.
Reversing Roe vs Wade does not make abortion illegal in the United States. It puts the question of when an individual human life is protected from being disposed of as a question for the states, and not for a few judges to decide for the nation. And before Roe vs Wade, state's that did outlaw abortion, made the person commiting the abortion the felon. Not too much different then now....where we prosecute those abortionists who abort viable babies illegally. There was a recent case where a mother was charged when she took drugs with the purpose of killing her child in the late stages of development. Enough evidence was there to investigate. Investigations are always dependent on evidence....there will be no "tracking" or anything much different except abortionists will not dwell in state's that outlaw abortion.
I see...so basically you cannot answer and instead defer to government which also cannot answer. This is as expected and does not take the issue seriously. A "Free Nation" does not limit the freedoms of it's citizens to their own bodies, nor does it "Track" them for using said freedoms...what would be the reasoning for doing so?
Okay...so you would support the SCOTUS eliminating RvW? Now would you please answer the questions? How will we: 1) Track who is pregnant. 2) Verify Abortion vs. Miscarriage. 3) Enforce new Laws. 4) Enact sentencing.
I did answer, but you of course didn't like my answers. The US Federal Government should not care or even know if Citizens X Y and Z are pregnant in whatever state they are in. They should not be tracking if they have a miscarriage. If the state wants to track live births, or give welfare or healthcare to pregnant mothers---that should be up to them---the states. States should oversee and fund any place that allows abortions.
There is no "tracking" implemented. Miscarriage vs abortion is a question considered only if evidence comes to light. No new laws. They might be expanded to cover early gestation cases. We currently have laws at certain times of development. We'd enact sentencing the same way we do now for illegal abortions.
So basically retain the status quo but make it easier for individual states to eliminate abortion without anyone complaining about it. No longer needing to use backdoor tricks but making it legal to forbid abortion? Okay.....Please answer this. How will the states: 1) Track who is pregnant. 2) Verify Abortion vs. Miscarriage. 3) Enforce new Laws. 4) Enact sentencing.
If we do not know who is pregnant, how do we know about anything else? What evidence would "Come to light" and how would it be verified? Why would any of this matter if no new laws were in place to justify the actions? Abortions are currently not illegal thus no sentencing is in place....so what would be enacted?
Not my problem, since my current state won't allow abortions in the 1st place with new court rulings and laws. The onus is on YOU and YOURS to help kill the unborn. YOU should work with the Clintons, Obamas and the George Soroses of the world to fund and oversee abortions in the states that allow them. Such Pro-Fetal Death organizations should fund money to take women who want abortions in Pro-Life States and fly or bus them to Pro-Death states. If the women get complications or die at feticide clinics---then they can not only sue the clinics and staff, but also the people that transport them there. Isn't that fair?
Would they? Airfare, ground transportation, hotels meals...I'm guessing that people who would have trouble paying for an abortion might not be able to afford a couple of thousand dollars worth of travel expense added to the bill.
Okay...Got it. You just want it made illegal and how it happens is "Not Your Problem". The onus is not on me as I am not only male but am incapable of producing offspring as purposefully directed. I was simply trying to get ANYONE supporting the removal of existing womens rights to think on how it may possibly be done without invasion of her privacy and freedoms in favor of the fetus residing within her. You clearly do not wish to delve into such introspection and I cannot blame you as doing so would present you as something of a monster as you seem to consider me for protecting he rights to begin with.
Your questions make an underlying assumption which may not necessarily be justified, namely that if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned, that the laws placed on the books within those states which choose to make the procedure illegal would target the pregnant woman. That is much more difficult and much less effective than to simply target the medical professional involved. Exactly. Roe v Wade made it impossible for states to legislate the issue, the overturning of that decision would simply move the issue back to the states. Speaking in terms of the Constitution, Roe is a very problematic decision. Anytime a decision of the high court involves getting down to such nitty gritty details as the stages of a woman's pregnancy, the point of viability of a fetus, etc. it's time to take a good hard look at whether the Court has slipped quietly into the role more appropriate of a Legislature. Bottom line: the High Court should not be making laws, they should limit themselves to interpreting laws. This is why I'm very pleased that Donald Trump will be responsible for shaping the makeup of the Supreme Court, and not Hillary Clinton.
You are asking questions that are based on a certain ignorance of the current laws we have, and what kind of laws we had before ROE vs Wade. If we do not know who is pregnant, how do we know about anything else? Before ROE we had no tracking and its silly to say that we are going to do something drastically different. Why would any of this matter if no new laws were in place to justify the actions?We do have laws against abortion at certain stages of gestation. Only 9 states have no restrictions or laws against abortion. If ROE VS Wade was overturned--those 9 states would still have no restrictions. The other states might change existing laws to include earlier stages of conception. What evidence would "Come to light" and how would it be verified?Evidence depends on the situation. If a woman put on facebook that she was going to take a pill to kill her 9 month gestation baby, and she followed through, then I'm sure there would be an investigation. Its just simple commensense.. Two women, one in Georgia and one in Indiana were charged with committing an illegal abortion on themselves. There was enough evidence for an investigation. If there is no evidence---then like any crime--they get a way with it. Commonsense. Most charges are not brought to the woman, but to the abortionist. The Georgia woman I mentioned above had her charges dropped because Georgia, like many states, do not allow a woman to be charged for aborting her own child. Abortions are currently not illegal thus no sentencing is in place....so what would be enacted? Obviously this statement is wrong.
So you believe American women are NOT citizens of America in all states? ...but , yes, women with means can ALWAYS travel, take time off work, afford hotel rooms.....even go to another country to have an abortion....but women with lesser means, those who need abortions the most, don't have those options. Why would this country spends millions of dollar in taxes to take away half the citizens rights? Some people opposed to abortion whine and cry about how "not one penny of mine should be spent on abortion" but don't give a damn how much of our money they spend harassing women and taking away their rights.
You: ""Most charges are not brought to the woman, but to the abortionist."" The Standard Republican deflection so they don't look like they want women executed or put in jail for life. Sorry, if you or I hire a hitman and they kill someone , you and I are charged with murder, too. Why do you want special treatment, in THIS instance, for women? And, duh, no woman who wants an abortion is going to post it publically, and if they do they have mental problems far worse than an abortion. You'd have to rely on their daughters, sons, husbands, mothers , grandmothers, granddaughters to report them....nice world YOU want. Nope, no way to suspect, charge, prove a woman had an abortion .
Makes sense...so where do women go for abortion (which they always have and always will seek) once the states make it impossible to find? Do they self abort? Do we go back to dirty abortion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKd9zWjxr6k&t=18s [video=youtube;GKd9zWjxr6k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKd9zWjxr6k&t=18s[/video]
I don't think anyone who performs abortions will hang a sign in public saying "Get Your Illegal Abortions Here". So they will dwell anywhere they're needed. Yes, a woman may have been charged with a LATE term abortion because LATE term abortions are illegal if the life/health of the woman and/or fetus is not in danger. Abortions performed before 18 weeks (MOST abortions) don't have that kind of "evidence" and can't be told from miscarriages. If I hire a hitman to kill someone and they do we will BOTH be charged the same in most cases.....and sentenced the same.
