The stunning rise of costly obesity in America

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK, that's an interesting conclusion.

    Now, pray tell, how does one do that above suggested? We know what we should not eat. But, one should therefore eat what foods?

    My suggestion, from here: What can you eat on a low-carb diet?
    I live in France. All the above is easily accessible and in abundance at most grocery stores. So, why is there such an increase in French Fatness?

    It all started with the advent of fast-foods into the French daily-diet. And that took a generation or two.

    But the problem IS here as well ...

    *And the irony of it all is that I recall for a great many years the French returning from a long vacation in the US saying, "Well, it was GREAT FUN - but how do Americans eat all that stuff?" (And then, one day, in the 1980s, I discovered the first Mcdonald's that opened in a small outlet on the Champs Elysees!)
     
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    The start of obesity coincides with the "low fat diet" and the introduction of high fructose corn syrup into the food supply.

    https://clarkstreetpress.com/a-brief-history-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup.html

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    It is NO COINCIDENCE that the CHANGEOVER to corn syrup in the American diet maps to the bad science about "high fat diets" and the start in the RISE of obesity amongst the population as a whole.

    Yes, exercise is a means to control weight and it is underutilized in our sedentary lifestyles but it is NOT the primary cause of obesity IMO.

    As @FreshAir has noted it would take 6 hours per day to burn off all of this corn syrup and no one was spending 6 hours a day exercising prior to the late 1970's either. We still had cars and TV's and fast food back then and most people worked in offices pushing paper around and talking on phones.

    The way to solve this problem is to eliminate corn syrup and reintroduce fats back into our diets and to change the way we work. Standing desks are far healthier than sitting for 8 hours a day. They can be adjusted up and down because sometimes sitting is better when it comes to working through a spread sheet while standing is better while being on a conference call.

    The current "wisdom" on eating and exercise needs to be updated to deal with reality if we are going to become healthier as a nation.
     
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    My own term for fast food is the "American disease" because wherever I have traveled in the world and these outlets have sprung up the levels of obesity have followed shortly thereafter.

    Worth noting that it is more than just the fast foods. The entire lifestyle and corporate work ethic (or lack thereof) contributes to the need for fast food and the overall decline in health of the populations.
     
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    donuts were also a thing many ate and eating sugar fried in fat, not the best thing for the body, they just blamed it on the fat rather than the real culprit.... sugar

    and I agree, HFCS was cheap and corporation were more than happy to use it, course this boosted insulin sky high for long periods, so much so that the body could never enter fat burning mode... so when the carbs ran out, people got hungry again a couple hours later - again corps loved this as people buy more food

    of course obesity is only part of the problem, diabetes and Alzheimer's disease and other metabolic disease also come with this as well as other issues related to inflammation

    the funny thing about statans is the sugar pill was about 79% and the Statin 80%, so the sugar pill did just as well with less side effects

    agree with the last part too, due to Epigenetics, if you do something frequently your body may be able to better handle it then someone that does it rarely, this is why I recommend a 30 day run of keto even if one is not gonna do it long term... to turn those fat burning genes on... as well as the mitochondrial biogenesis benefits
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good post!
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the abuse-chart for opioids:
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    Are opioids a problem in the EU nations as well?
     
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    yep, that means the American corporate diet has reached their shores, cereal in the morning, fast food and other high carb foods the rest of the day as well
     
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    I wish it were that simple. There are several documentaries on the subject if you ever want to look into it.

    Meat and dairy are not the biggest problem and while people are not eating bowls of granulated sugar, they are consuming the equivalent in high fructose corn syrup, grain, and other carbs.

    I see you changed "They want to be fat" to "they choose soda and beef" They do make choices, but like most humans, they choose the path of lease resistance and you and I pay for it. The same way animals are trained with food, people are trained to consume highly profitable products through psychology and biochemistry.

    While you and I discuss this topic, people are sitting in a boardroom using science and psychology to increase consumption of these products.

    Interesting that the problem started when "experts" started advising people to eat less fat. You know the feeling of being hungry, right? The average American diet keeps people feeling that way almost all the time.
     
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    this I agree with as well, humans that evolved in areas with access to fruit all year long may be more tolerant to carbs than people that evolved in areas with long winters and less access to carbs

    I do think switching metabolic modes every once in a while is good, like eat a bit more berries and such when they are in seasons to keep the metabolism guessing and make you more metabolic diverse

    when people are already overweight, they need to keep insulin low to stay in fat burning mode more, as that is what they want to burn for energy... their own fat, and insulin is a fat storage hormone - once they get to ideal weight, they have more dietary flexibility
     
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    Yes, they are a problem. But not as much as in the US.

    Whyzzat? Because Europe is very laid-back when it comes to ambition and success. Unlike the US, which - I think - is the prime reason people take opioids in the US due to stressful work-environments.

    From here (and well worth the read): Why opioids are such an American problem - excerpt:
    In Europe, we have a National Healthcare System - and there is no compunction by doctors to prescribe opioids when other methods are available even if more expensive.
     
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    Can not remember who asked how to get started on keto earlier, but if anyone wants to try low carb keto for 30 days, this person is offering a walkthrough of the diet from Sept 8th to Oct 8th (free)

    not sure how good it will be, just saw it in my youtube list, so sharing

    "1 Month Keto Weight Loss Challenge (full meal plan)"

     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow! Publicity in a Debate Forum!

    WHAT NEXT ... ?
     
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    agree with your suggestion for a low carb diet, though I do not use rapeseed oil, I prefer lard, butter, duck fat, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil

    also do not eat apples, but do eat berries
     
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