The stunning rise of costly obesity in America

very little sugar, they do not eat a diet of 60% carb, they eat meats and good fats, they balance it - as long as your not eating more carbs then your body can store you will do ok, you can store about 2000 calories in the liver and muscles total (about 100 or so grams of glycogen),

the problem in America is High Carbs\Sugars - and yes refined carbs make it worse as do seed oils

and of course once you are overweight and need to loose weight, low carb is even more important - as a body with high insulin is gonna have a much harder time burring fat - let me be snarky too (Jesus H Christos, I am surprised you did not know that)

 

It's a disease of excess, of lazy sloven people.

 

are you kidding, it's not the meat, it's the carbs

yes if you eat excess fat calories you can gain weight too, but you will not get the metabolic disease that goes with it as that is caused by high insulin which is caused by too many carbs

try eating a whole stick of butter, you will have a hard time as butter is very satiating

 

Because they are sugars

 

I see it more as an addiction, like people that drink alchol to excess, eating a lower carb diet reduces the desire for these high carb foods, I think a big part of the issue is sugar is in almost everything now - even our fruit has more sugar in it

 

I think a sugar tax would help, worked for cigarettes, I think as the cost of health care goes up and up, the government will do this, they wont have a choice

 

easy there.

 

The natural progression of excess.

 

agree, it's a hormonal response and once on the treadmill, hard to get off for many, especially with so much hidden sugar in things people do not expect it to be in

sadly corporations know this, and it increases sales, so they do it - just like tobacco companies - in fact I think they added sugar to cigarettes too

"Sugar or Cigarettes: Which is Worse For You?"

https://www.diabetesdaily.com/blog/sugar-or-cigarettes-which-is-worse-for-you-248317/

"The more sugar that is in the bloodstream, the more insulin released. If your body releases too much insulin, your blood sugar will drop below normal levels. This is called hypoglycemia, better known as a sugar crash. This is a way of our bodies telling us that it wants more sugar. The sugar that we continue to eat that is not used for energy is converted into fat. The more frequent this process is, the more insulin that is required. This means our body will stop using sugar as energy and convert it to fat straight away instead. This can lead to obesity, heart disease, and diabetes."

and this is just the glucose half of sugar, the fructose half causes fatty liver, thus just like an alcoholic, excess sugar is very hard on the liver

 

And they also died at a much younger age than Himalayans who ate very little meat.

There is no science on earth which will claim unoquivically that low carb/high protein societies are thinner. Every single group which practices that diet is fatter, bar none.

In the meantime, how do you explain - to yourself - the billions of people who eat high carb/low protein diets (IOW, the entire non Western World) and have much lower rates of obesity? Do you pretend they don't exist?

 

not true, they were very healthy

I already said, they eat a lower percent of carbs, total carbs matters - the standard American diet is too carb heavy

 

That's ridiculous, with respect. The CAUSE is lazy humans who indulge their lust for calorie dense foods all day every day.

 

Himalayans (and the Japanese, and Meditteraneans) are the longest lived people on earth. Zero obesity, and many many individuals passing 100. And they ALL have high carb/low protein diets .. and are active for the entirety of their lives.

 

that is some of the cause, not most of it - we did not have this problem before Americans changed their diet, we need to go back to what we were eating in the past

even skinny people are getting diabetes today, construction workers, athletes, the list goes on...

 

yes, the Mediterranean diet is healthy, lot of fish, omega 3's and they do not eat excessive carbs

excessive carbs and low fat is the issue

ironically feast and famine locations also do well due to the fasting periods, the body also needs time for autophagy to clean up old proteins, viruses and scar tissue, ect.... we in America eat too frequently, sometimes up to 6 meals a day

 

Okay .. look, you are not sufficiently au fait with the endocrine system to understand what's happening. It's a MECHANICAL process, not chemical. The mechanics are 'constant movement fueling the furnace'. If you fail to move enough to fuel your metabolism to efficiency, then chemical impacts are the result. Your endocrine system will be compromised and begin to produce effects like Insulin resistance, Type II diabetes, Polycystic Overies, hirsuitism (in women), boobs in men, female infertility, and other horrors.

You are simply trying to escape mechanical fueling of the metabolism by 'tricking' it. You are attempting to replace movement with something 'easier'. You won't win. Keto will kill you.

PS: what is with this fixation on 'satiation'?

 

Of course. Because people now eat about 4 times the amount of meat and cheese they ate 60 years ago. AND they do far less exercise.

If skinny athletes are acquiring diabetes they're probably skipping meals, or fasting - both of which significantly up your chances of messing with your pancreas. The long gaps create a 'crises' which is responded to via poorly regulated spikes. Very dangerous.

 

wow, your still stuck in the past, science has passed you by, it's not just calories in\calories out, it's much more then that, our hormones play a huge role in this, especially insulin

"Keto will kill you."

who told you that? we are not talking about ketoacidosis, a issue with type one diabetics - extremely high blood glucose will kill you too - but these are different things

feeling satiated is important to help people that are overweight eat less

you have it backwards, if you eat high carb\low fat, you increase your risk of metabolic disease, like Insulin resistance, Type II diabetes, Polycystic Overies, hirsuitism (in women), boobs in men, female infertility, and other horrors.

in fact, eating keto has been show to reverse those

and now that we know cancer is a metabolic disease, we realize high sugar increases the risk of cancer

 

These folks are smart enough to vote but not smart enough to see through marketing?

 

cause they are bombarded by conflicting messages, our government tells then high carbs\low fat is healthy, doctors are telling patients, they can continue eating carbs, just take their pills\insulin

a poster above is telling people low carb will kill them, and cause type two diabetes - lot of misinformation out there and people believe it

people are not making informed decisions - and yes, just like many of our voters...

 

You're not really listening - and I suspect it's because you have a vested interest in avoiding the reality (and possibly in holding on to your calorie dense diet). I'll try to simplify it:

INSULIN PROCESSING - the efficient endocrine system - IS A FUNCTION OF EXERCISE. MOVEMENT IS WHAT MAKES THE METABOLISM FUNCTION. IF YOU DON'T MOVE, YOUR METABOLISM WILL LOSE FUNCTION IN THE SAME WAY THAT MUSCLES DO. IT WILL NOT 'FIRE' PROPERLY, AND WILL THEREFORE BE UNABLE TO REGULATE THE PROCESSING OF WHATEVER WE PUT INTO IT VIA DIET. YOU WILL BE EXPECTING A CANDLE TO DO THE JOB OF A FURNACE.

PS: It's not the Keto which is reversing the problems, it's the increase in exercise that almost always goes with any commitment to 'getting healthy', even if it's negligible. Just an additional 10 minutes of walking a day reduces the risk of diabetes. Why do you think doctors tell Insulin resistant and newly diagnosed diabetics (type II) to exercise as the first line of management? I can't even count the number of type II patients I've seen cure themselves just by taking up daily exercise.

 

I have NEVER said that low carb causes diabetes - get it right please.

I have clearly stated - over and over again - that LACK OF EXERCISE is what ****s up the endocrine system.

 

insulin is increase when you eat, and it's increased the most when you eat carbs

yes, exercise can and should be done on any diet, it's healthy - no dispute there

it most definitely is the keto reversing those metabolic diseases as it lowers insulin - this is proven fact

"The science of low carb and keto"

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/science

 

COMPLEX CARBS do not have anywhere near the same impact as processed carbs, and in a FULLY FUNCTIONING METABOLISM (the result of daily protracted movement) they have no impact at all. They're actually the best thing we can put in our mouths BECAUSE they are burned off so fast. No 'residue'.

You keep missing the elephant in the room. The source of all the trouble. Poor processing of foods and resultant bad body chemistry is a result of a poorly functioning metabolism (aka, endocrine system), and a poorly functioning metabolism is a result of LACK OF EXERCISE! Sluggish body, sluggish metabolism.

 

I eat a lot of low carb vegetables - no issue with them - it's the high carbs that will give you issues

yes, process food is the worst high carb foods, no doubt, regardless of the diet your on

we already agreed exercise is healthy regardless of the diet you are on

yes, if you are on a high carb diet, it may be more important for you to empty your liver and muscles of glucose more often to clear room for the next carb load as too much glucose in the blood is toxic - easier though to just not eat too many carbs

ketones are a much cleaner fuel for the brain...

"How Low-Carb and Ketogenic Diets Boost Brain Health"

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/low-carb-ketogenic-diet-brain