The stunning rise of costly obesity in America

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  1. Prometheus8887

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    but the media glorifies it. I saw a smoking add where the girl smoking was rejected by the guy she liked causing the portrayal of smoking being uncool. For those of us who are lazy the media can be a effective tool rather then what it is now.
     
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    And they eat a ton
    Carb, fat, protein, it dosen't matter. They eat a ton.
    Their caloric intake massively outweighs their expenditure.
    And they don't exercise either.
     
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    my mistake, I am glad we agree low carb does not cause diabetes, keto has been shown to reverse it though

    runners get diabetes too, it's from too many carbs
     
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    not everyone fits in the same box, I think our diet plays a bigger role then exercise, but I think exercise plays about 20% of it

    yes, calories mater, but so does what you eat and when you eat it, how long you fast in between meals, there is a reason they call it breakfast

    when I was young, the last meal was at 5pm, and maybe occasionally you got popcorn with butter for a movie as a snack, that means we fasted for at least 12 hours almost every day - I think that fasting is as important as sleep
     
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    Depends on your goal. If it's a functional and healthy long life - free from heart disease and cancers, the very best way is all day movement, every day - plus a high complex carb diet with equal quantities of vegetables and small quantities of protein.
     
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    A fit athlete is not going to be get diabetes unless he/she is skipping meals, or has some genetic predisposition.
     
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    yes, movement is good, we have no dispute there, but diet is also important

    guess we are gonna disagree on the best macros for our diets, so be it - would be bad for the food supply if everyone changed to low carb all at the same time
     
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    or eats too many carbs... IE sports gels, energy drinks, ect.... so they can run longer distances

    many runners are switching to the keto diet
     
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    1) Yes, everyone does fit the same box - we all have the same biology. that's why all POWs lose weight equally when their calorie intake is reduced. also, exercise is the FIRST important factor in good health. You must have that efficient metabolism.

    2) Fasting is TERRIBLE! When you've had nothing for 12 hours, your endocrine system goes into a 'panic' state, and the next thing you eat will cause the body to overreact and spike horribly. Do this over and over again, ESPECIALLY if you don't exercise adequately, and your pancreas will literally pack up. The whole thing is thrown out of whack.
     
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    IOW, they're consuming garbage and refined sugars. nuff said.

    they'd be MUCH better off getting that immediate energy from a bowl of brown rice.
     
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    yep, why many runners switching to keto and breaking new records

    "Is the Keto Diet Right for Marathon Runners?"

    https://www.kissmyketo.com/blogs/exercise/is-the-keto-diet-right-for-marathon-runners

    "In 2015, Zach Bitter broke the U.S. 100-mile record by maintaining a seven-minute mile pace for 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 55 seconds at the Desert Solstice Invitational. And the most surprising part about this story is that he ran those 100 miles on no carbs and loads of fat."
     
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    This will actually harm him, long term. The body absolutely needs those easily accessed complex carbs to feed all the systems used in high levels of activity. He's using the wrong resources and effectively 'starving' his biochemistry. He'll pay later.
     
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    wrong, you can take two dieters and their metabolic rates, insulin sensitivity, ect.. may differ

    especially if one is on keto and one is eating high carb

    keto dieters bodies handle the fast fine.. maybe yours can't as it's forgotten how - maybe you need to exercise your mitochondria, try a keto diet for 30 days, then you can go back to your old diet, your mitochondria will thank you for the keto reset
     
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    1) you can't be serious, FA. do you need an excuse for something (maybe you're obese, or were once?), and will literally pretend that POWs don't all become skeletons at the same rate and to the same degree when starved?

    2) no human body handles fasting. we are not canines! learn your basics.
     
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    I can't believe your serious that you say you can't go from dinner to breakfast without having a major metabolic melt down in your body unless you eat something in between

    you do know that your body stores fat to use for when you have no food right... learn the basics

    no need for one to panic over 12 hours of not eating ... maybe your addicted to carbs?

    the military is talking about moving soldiers to the keto diet as well

    "New military study: “Remarkable” results among soldiers on a ketogenic diet"

    https://www.dietdoctor.com/new-military-study-remarkable-results-among-soldiers-on-a-ketogenic-diet
     
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    lol, your proof how much educating the public needs, your behind on the science

    there is no essential carbs, you can live just fine without carbs as long as you eat enough fat and protein
     
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    The science is woefully incomplete, because no long term studies are involved.
     
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    there is a long tern study of high carbs low fat diet, notice the obesity epidemic and diabetes epidemic, this is the results of the failed high carb low fat experiment

    the science is pointing to a law carb diet being the way to go
     
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    You're making stuff up now. I never said anything about not going from dinner to breakfast. I said 12 hours (or more) is a problem. IOW, missing breakfast, or having a late breakfast. Look it up. Do your homework on the effects of skipped meals on the endocrine system.

    We're not canines (again!), and our guts are not suited to the constant storage of dense animal proteins. That's an incredibly toxic state for human physiology. Do it your way and we'll start dying at age 45 just like we always did when we tried to live on meat alone.
     
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    go back and read what you wrote

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    2) Fasting is TERRIBLE! When you've had nothing for 12 hours, your endocrine system goes into a 'panic' state, and the next thing you eat will cause the body to overreact and spike horribly. Do this over and over again, ESPECIALLY if you don't exercise adequately, and your pancreas will literally pack up. The whole thing is thrown out of whack.
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    missing breakfast is fine, that was a myth that it's the most important meal of the day, if you can wait till lunch, do it, just eat a bigger lunch or dinner, a longer 16 hour fast is good for you, if your not hungry, no reason to eat

    animal proteins are great for the body, just do not eat too much protein regardless of the source, vegetable of animal based

    eat a couple eggs for breakfast, quick and easy, avoid the fruit juice
     
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    The REALITY is that China has very low rates of obesity, and they eat small quantities of protein and rice with every meal. The REALITY is that socieities with a high intake of meat and dairy are the fattest on earth.
     
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    Exactly. 12 hours is just starting to be too long. 8 - 10 hours is far better.
     
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    not at all, one doesn't need a snack before bed
     
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    Cigarettes are addictive because of nicotine. Sugar is not a narcotic.

    Still, sugar does have addictive qualities and that does help one on to obesity.

    Other sweeteners replacing sugar - which is what companies will do if sugar is taxed - will not lower the "additive quality" of sweets. Methinks.

    Only the will of the people to determine their own outcomes. And, tus, as a far more potent factor is, I feel; the timely intermediary of a doctor is very-important.

    But, that intermediary in one that costs a helluva-lotta-muney in the US. (At $200 average cost of a doctor's visit.).

    Whereas in Europe - a National Healthcare Service obviates that obstacle. My visit to the doctor here in France (costing about 27€) is very largely subsidized by the state. Which helps one to AVOID the worse effects of eating self-indulgence and other factors that can influence your health ...
     
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    For a good international review of "Obesity of Adults" see here (from the OECD): Obesity Update 2017

    Click down to Figure 1 - "Obesity among adults, 2015 or nearest year".

    Find the US on that chart ...
     

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