The stunning rise of costly obesity in America

Discussion in 'Health Care' started by LafayetteBis, Jul 10, 2019.

  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,635
    Likes Received:
    63,063
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yep, many do not want to admit our standard American diet is failing us, but all one has to do it look at the stats
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2016
    Messages:
    9,744
    Likes Received:
    2,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Apparently that's the hard-part in the US. We prefer to point-fingers at one another and then employ any convenient form of sarcasm.

    Ain't no way to govern a country. But, but, but - since we all cheer the fact that "we are a free democracy" - it is ONLY by means of the will of the people that we can change political behaviour.

    Which is why we allowed that - from the get-go because we had no faith whatsoever in the ignorance of a flood of humanity that was immigrating into the US - in a uniquely two-party system Intelligent People invented artifices to manipulate voting outcomes ...

    PS: And instead of bitching-in-a-blog it would also help if we got off our collectives-asses and voted! Only half the eligible-voters voting is NOT GOOD ENOUGH IN ANY SUPPOSED DEMOCRACY! (US history of the popular-vote turnout in one chart here!)
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
    Sallyally, FreshAir and Derideo_Te like this.
  3. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2016
    Messages:
    9,744
    Likes Received:
    2,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I once heard of a ideal solution to enhance voter turnout.

    After each state and national vote* (but not local), one would obtain a voting-receipt that they attach to their Tax Declaration. No ticky - no shirty! (Meaning an additional automatic 20% in taxation of any declared income imposed if proof-of-voting were not shown.)

    Some people must learn the hard way ...

    *Of Heads-of-government and Representatives-to-legislatures.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  4. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    :applause:
     
    Sallyally likes this.
  5. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    WRONG!

    We do NOT "all have the same biology" and NO, the body does NOT "absolutely need those...complex carbs".

    Some of us are ALLERGIC to those "complex carbs" and that makes them do us way MORE HARM THAN GOOD!

    A Keto diet is an excellent alternative diet for those that are allergic to complex carbs.

    One size DOES NOT fit all!

    One of the major issues of the obesity epidemic is that people live in what are known as "food deserts" where there is no easy access to FRESH fruit and vegetables.

    Where I live I am fortunate enough to have access to an abundance of seasonal fruits, fish and meat and I severely limit my intake of carbs to small portions of rice or potatoes. I never consume grains but instead use alternatives like lentils and chickpeas.

    So making sweeping generalizations is always wrong.
     
    FreshAir likes this.
  6. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    37,112
    Likes Received:
    9,515
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Limiting your caloric intake is the most important.
     
  7. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,635
    Likes Received:
    63,063
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yes, agree, keto may make it easier to do that as your more satiated, also for those losing more weight over a longer period of time, they wont get the biggest looser effect where the metabolic rate drops drastically as the body tries to be more metabolically efficient as it sees constant calories reduction as a shortage of calories and adjust for that, but yes, you eat tons of nuts and cheese on a keto diet, your not losing weight for sure, your gonna be gaining... calories still mater

    pretty good breakdown of it

    "Ketosis for Metabolism Control"

    https://perfectketo.com/ketosis-metabolism-control/

    "And that’s just part of the story: it can actually be harmful to your metabolism and lower metabolic rate (the amount of calories the body burns per day) — just look at the long-term results from past winners of the Biggest Loser. After forcing the body into caloric reduction, the contestants’ metabolisms dropped, leading to weight loss plateaus and weight regain."
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  8. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,635
    Likes Received:
    63,063
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I wish every American would vote in 2020, that would be fantastic imo - heck, I wish every American had voted in 2016

    maybe election day should be a federal holiday
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  9. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    19,096
    Likes Received:
    1,827
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's not possible to exercise your way out of a bad diet. As for the Chinese they don't "live on rice" The rural Chinese diet is primarily vegetable with small portions of rice.
     
    FreshAir likes this.
  10. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    19,096
    Likes Received:
    1,827
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nope, shouldn't.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  11. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2016
    Messages:
    9,744
    Likes Received:
    2,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The National Healthcare System in the EU is NOT A SWEEPING GENERALIZATION.

    It is a highly professional organisation delivering first-class healthcare to 515 million men, women and children throughout the EU. (US population - 330M)

    And, as I never tire of repeating, the comparative lifespans (US and EU) says what is most important about any NATIONAL healthcare system ... !

    PS: If you have specific healthcare-situations and you live in the US, then that is YOUR problem an no one else's.
     
  12. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I NEVER made any such allegation about the healthcare systems in the EU!

    Read both QUOTES in my post and you will see that I was REFUTING the sweeping generalizations made by @crank.
     
    FreshAir likes this.
  13. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2016
    Messages:
    9,744
    Likes Received:
    2,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I never could understand why it was on a week-day. A two-day voting on week-ends is more than sufficient in any Real Democracy.

    America has a long way to go to get to one - and the simplistic pride one takes from the historical fact that the US is more than two-centuries old is largely exaggerated as regards quality. Any nation that cannot develop, maintain and exercise an unbiased and unmanipulated fair-voting system deserves no adulation ...
     
    Sallyally likes this.
  14. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2016
    Messages:
    9,744
    Likes Received:
    2,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Try harder?

    Exercising also means activating one's intelligence. That is, preparing your OWN foods and consuming them reasonably as well as leaving the crapola at Mcdonalds or whatever fast-food joint the advertising for which captures your eyes.

    It is amazing (of mostly all societies) how TV-adverts can have a profound impact upon personal decision making.

    From here: Obesity - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic

    I suggest the above demonstrates the highly personal nature of obesity ...
     
    Doug_yvr likes this.
  15. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,635
    Likes Received:
    63,063
    Trophy Points:
    113
    don't forget one of the main causes

    "Insulin Causes Weight Gain – Hormonal Obesity IV"

    https://idmprogram.com/insulin-causes-weight-gain-hormonal-obesity-iv/

    "What happens when we give high doses of insulin to patients? Insulin makes you gain weight. The more insulin you take, the more weight you gain. It almost doesn’t matter how much you eat or how much you try to exercise. The weight just keeps coming on."

    "The results are very consistent. Raising insulin levels causes weight gain. Lowering insulin levels causes weight loss. Increasingly, we are recognizing the importance of these hormonal factors on obesity. Just recently, another study entitled “Insulin resistance and inflammation predict kinetic body weight changes” showed that the strongest predictor of weight regain is insulin resistance. Not willpower. Not caloric intake. Not peer support. Insulin. Insulin. Insulin. It is all about the insulin."
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
    LafayetteBis, Doug_yvr and Derideo_Te like this.
  16. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    19,096
    Likes Received:
    1,827
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly. And what triggers insulin in the body? Carbs. Not just refined (simple) carbs like sucrose but all carbs including the complex carbs in vegetables.

    Good news is that complex carbs are absorbed more slowly so have less impact on blood sugar. They do impact blood sugar though so can be a problem if overdone. Eating whole grains for example is better than refined grains, but they still trigger insulin so enough brown bread (or rice etc) and you get the same result - too much insulin.

    Someone trying to lose weight (or manage/reverse Type 2 Diabetes) needs to avoid processed carbs and starches as much as possible. Exercise won't do it.
     
    FreshAir and LafayetteBis like this.
  17. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The best approach is a small carrot or other 'snack' type vegetable or piece of fruit for dessert (at say, 8pm), and then a big carb-rich breakfast at 6am. That's 10 hours.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  18. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ONLY if they're not burned off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you understand how abnormal and unlikely that would be? You'd have to eat a plate of carbs while seated, and literally not move from your seat for anything but toilet/meal breaks for the rest of the day.

    More importantly, the insulin issues happen because the metabolism is not doing its job. The FOOD isn't the trigger, therefore - the failed metabolism is.
     
  19. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As always, you're comprehensively wrong. I'm actually impressed at this point.
     
  20. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Asian diet is equal portions of rice and vegetables (the majority of each meal) and small portions of protein.
     
  21. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113


    Insulin and how we each process it is a function of our metabolism - our endocrine system. The metabolism is balanced and maintained by MOVEMENT. The constant burning of fuel via activity.

    You are choosing after-the-fact 'science' because it fits some personal agenda. You either don't want to exercise, or you don't want to give up your calorie dense foods. My guess is both.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  22. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Outside of a few rare medical causes (Prader Willi etc, some steroids - but we are not discussing those in this thread), there is only one cause. Too many calories and not enough exercise.
     
  23. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2013
    Messages:
    54,812
    Likes Received:
    18,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes it will, because movement burns complex carbs off to almost nothing. Of course, anyone with IR or diabetes will naturally be avoiding white potatoes and white rice anyway - swapping for brown rice and sweet potatoes etc.
     
  24. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,635
    Likes Received:
    63,063
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yes, too many carbs day after day after day ... cause insulin resistance

    every time you eat carbs you get an insulin spike.. just a fact... eat all day long, and you spike your insulin all day long - even if you eat less calories

    and now they think the increased Amyloid plaque in the brain is caused because the enzyme that cleans that out prioritizes insulin above it, more insulin, less time to clean up the Amyloid plaque in the brain
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  25. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,635
    Likes Received:
    63,063
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yes, extra exercise to burn off the extra carbs is needed if you want to eat a high carb diet, but you don't have to eat the extra carbs

    and sugar causes not only insulin resistance, but the excess fructose damages the liver similar to alchol... thus the term nonalcoholic fatty liver

    and if you need to lose weight, lowering the carbs is the best method as it lower the insulin levels in the body, insulin is the fat storage hormone
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019

Share This Page