The sun is blank, NASA data shows it to be dimming

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is actually a bit concerning. I have no desire to spend my last remaining years in a new little ice age period. If man's C02 really does warm the climate we may want to consider pumping all we can into the atmosphere. Worth a shot.

    "As the sun gets successively more blank with each day, due to lack of sunspots, it is also dimming. According to data from NASA’s Spaceweather, so far in 2017, 96 days (27%) of the days observing the sun have been without sunspots."
    "Today at Cape Canaveral, SpaceX launched a new sensor to the International Space Station named TSIS-1. Its mission: to measure the dimming of the sun’s irradiance. It will replace the aging SORCE spacecraft. NASA SDO reports that as the sunspot cycle plunges toward its 11-year minimum, NASA satellites are tracking a decline in total solar irradiance (TSI).

    Across the entire electromagnetic spectrum, the sun’s output has dropped nearly 0.1% compared to the Solar Maximum of 2012-2014. This plot shows the TSI since 1978 as observed from nine previous satellites:

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    In the top plot, we drew the daily average of measured points in red (so there are a lot of points, 14187 to be precise). On the left is a red vertical bar showing a 0.3% change in TSI. The black curve is the average of TSI over each year. The dashed horizontal line shows the minimum value of year-averaged TSI data. The vertical black bar shows the 0.09% variation we see in that average. The bottom plot shows the annual sunspot number from the SIDC in Belgium in blue. Source: NASA Solar Dynamics Observatory Mission Blog."

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/15/the-sun-is-blank-nasa-data-shows-it-to-be-dimming/
     
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    An impending ice age was predicted by scientists for years. It was not until Al Gore explained how government can obtain massive power and income by claiming the exact opposite is going to happen, with governments then financing "studies" to prove it - studies the used false stats - did this shift to the exact opposite claim. Global warming Chicken Little panic talk also allowed virtually abandoning all real environmental issues such as the oceans being poisoned.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My main gripe with the AGW mass hysteria is it sucks up all the oxygen in the room and real pollution gets a pass. In fact real pollution is amplified in the quest to lower man's C02 output. An example is the mining that takes place for batteries for electric cars.
     
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    Don't worry. We still have a few billion years.
     
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    I remember an old Charlie Brown cartoon when Linus, the brainy one, told Charlie Brown - both looking up the sky - that there was only a 1 in a 100,000,000,000 chance a meteorite would hit Charlie standing there. In response, Charlie took a big step to the side to avoid that.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I won't be here much longer and I just hope my last remaining years are not anything like the recent little ice age. It came on virtually overnight and lasted decades.
     
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    You don't believe NASA when the print evidence of global warming but you suddenly believe them now? Are they part of the Global 'Conspiracy or aren't they? Make up your f**king mind.
     
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    I hope it don't mess up the driftless area and the Kickapoo river.
     
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    NASA under Obama has been led by activists and the reliance on the surface/ocean temperatures instead of the more accurate satellite data where the warming is supposed to occur first just outlines that activism. The highly adjusted data for the land/ocean record is all that is available from NASA but the solar total irradiance data is also available and can be reviewed too.

    Now, the dimming is significant. In the AGW models, the TSI is treated as a constant when it really isn't. The amount of dimming now equates to all other sources of heat input such as the heat from the Earths core. This and total solar activity are the reasons the solar scientists are predicting coming cooling since almost all (something like 99.99%) of Earths heat comes from the Sun.
     
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    But it's natural dimming and it comes in cycles and the science isn't agreed upon by everyone and we can't measure back far enough and the instruments of measurement are in the wrong spots and the scientists involved are part of the SAC (Solar Activity Cabal) and they get their funding from biased sources and science generally gets climate predictions wrong and we just don't know enough to make a prediction ... f**k. You just bypassed EVERY ONE of your arguments about global warming to accept data from the same people you refused to believe a week ago.
     
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    Ah, the old conspiracy theory that any inconvenient science to the dogma is funded by eeeeviiiil. LOL

    The last solar minimum is lower than any previous solar minimums and this minimum is expected to be lower than that. You can ignore the significance of that but the Earth will not.
     
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    Brick. Glass House. Hello.
     
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    A complete nonsense response to the inconvenient facts? Guess I am winning the argument.
     
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    No.
     
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    Well, except for the facts and data, you might have something.
     
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    Please provide data supporting your claim.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please provide date for your denial
     
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    CO2 is the biggest pollutant with the worst long-term effects, but we shouldn't worry about it. The adverse effects won't really be shown for a 100 years, so let's kick the can down the road and party on!

    My main worry is that gas prices stay low for another 15-20 years so I can drive my Dodge Ram 3500 4X4 Dually around the country towing a 5th wheel. Something like this:
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    C02 is not a pollutant it is a naturally occurring gas and man's effect on it's levels is infinitesimal.

    "Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions
    “The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atpmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this balance. The oceans, land and atpmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small. A small shift in the balance between oceans and air would cause a CO2 much more severe rise than anything we could produce.”

    Edit: Nice looking rig in your picture though. I love traveling in my motorhome.
     
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    Dude, if you don't believe CO2 is a pollutant, then why do you think it's bad for kids to play with plastic dry cleaning bags?

    However, I'm not going to go over, for the upteenth time, NASA's findings on CO2 increases in the atmosphere.

    Like I said,nobody gives a ****. Kick the can down the road and let the kids figure it out. If they don't, meh. we'll be dead by then and it doesn't matter.

    My wife and I have bounced around different ideas for retirement such as lake homes to motorhomes. In the end, a truck and 5th wheel works best for us.
     
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    Ummm, because they might get suffocated?

    Truck and trailer have their benefits but small motorhomes fit in more campsites. That was my criteria.
     
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    Suffocated from what? Plenty of CO2 in there to breath.

    I haven't bought mine yet, but am pretty settled on the Dodge Ram 4X4 dually for business reasons and a 28-32' trailer. Our criteria will be KOA campsites with electric, water and WiFi.
     
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    I like small state and NP campgrounds that at best have electricity but rarely anything else. My 24 ft motorhome fits in just about anything. It's a personal preference choice.

    http://www.phoenixusarv.com/2400.html
     
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    Our plan is to escape the Texas summer heat for weeks at a time plus sight see a bit.
     

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